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Recording Techniques :: RE: Editing and clean up on analog tape

psinglet — Thu, 02 Sep 2010 18:35:06 GMT

Author: psinglet
Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2010 2:35 pm (GMT -4)

Will a MS 16 still run with the tape pulled from between the capstan and pinch roller? I used to spot ersae all the time with an 85-16B. Mark the in and out positions with a grease pencil making sure to use the playback head as reference. Pull the tape from between the capstan and pinch roller. Make sure you are in between the marks on the erase head. Engage track making sure nothing is feeding it. Press record/play. Manually move to the beginning and end points using erase head as reference. Move to a point in the middle of the marks. Press stop. Done

Recording Techniques :: RE: Penis Envy and Drum Recording

joninc — Thu, 02 Sep 2010 18:24:57 GMT

Author: joninc
Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2010 2:24 pm (GMT -4)

you can always mic lots and mute later!

you can even monitor just the mics YOU want to use and if it's sounding great - tell them that later on "we've actually been listening to only a mono overhead and kick mic for the past week - doesn't it sound amazing!?"

sometimes it's cool to mic the hihat! you don't always need overheads!

close mic the hh and ride and do a mono or stereo room set up. or not!

enough with the exclamation marks!
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Recording Techniques :: RE: Uneven Kick Drum Solution?

InvalidInk — Thu, 02 Sep 2010 18:20:20 GMT

Author: InvalidInk
Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2010 2:20 pm (GMT -4)

Yeah it's good stuff. That Metatron album sonically (and songwritting) is really amazing. You did a hell of a job. You should be proud.

I just did a something on a new mix a few days ago that evened out kick hits. I duplicated the kick track so there was two of the same track. On one track i used Massey Tapehead and set the saturation to max to where it was distorted, and also did some compression and gating on it. Then I blend the other kick drum track with just a hint of compression (you may or may not need that). I blended those two tracks and the whole kit sound in with the mix and wahla, very even kick drum. Since I gated the distorted (more like overdriven sounding) you only heard the intial attack of that track and the resonance from the cleaner sounding kick. Sounded great.
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Gear Talk :: Sparta Trailer Stolen

TapeOpLarry — Thu, 02 Sep 2010 17:48:51 GMT

Author: TapeOpLarry
Subject: Sparta Trailer Stolen
Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2010 1:48 pm (GMT -4)

Hello friends, friends of friends, friends of friends of friends....

Our trailer was stolen early Saturday, August 27th, from a parking lot next to the Marriott in downtown San Antonio, TX. We lost a substantial amount of gear, some of which is pretty unique, so we area keeping our fingers crossed it'll show up somewhere, someday... can you please pass this email along to anyone you know who tours or buys gear, especially if they live around central Texas. The pawnshops should get the list from the police report, but every little bit helps-
if you see this stuff out there please email or call our studio
Clap of Thunder
915-881-4737
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thanks everyone, be safe out there
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16x22" Bass
16x16" Floor Tom
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Recording Techniques :: RE: Penis Envy and Drum Recording

Corey Y — Thu, 02 Sep 2010 17:40:32 GMT

Author: Corey Y
Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2010 1:40 pm (GMT -4)

I got a good laugh out of the mic with the cord to nowhere Gentleman Jim, reminds me of that old "producer's strip" bit.

Put me down on the list of people who virtually never put a spot mic on hi-hat. I remember reading a lot of people going on about "I love this mic on hi-hat" and such or "what do you use on hi-hat?" and scratching my head, wondering why anyone would want more hi-hat in the mix, so I started trying it out. The level on that fader went down and down and down until I started hitting mute and realized it wasn't making any difference. I'm a firm believer that there should be very few "rules" for recording, so I'm sure it has come in handy for someone in some situation. I just haven't run into it yet.

Gear Talk :: RE: nice synth!

trodden — Thu, 02 Sep 2010 17:34:16 GMT

Author: trodden
Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2010 1:34 pm (GMT -4)

casey campbell wrote:

i don't see a problem with a belief set that says there is a creator who created everything so that he could show it love.

so much, that he gives people a free will. a will to choose him or to reject him. they of course choose to reject him, so he comes down in the form of a baby and grows up in the midst of pain and suffering. rejects the religous establishment of his day, heals everyone that comes in his path of their diseases, tells everyone to love one another, lives in total poverty, until the time in which he chooses to die for sins of the world so that ultimately he can be close to those he died for.

sounds like a good deal to me.

the alternative belief set, is that you live, you die, and in a few years from now - none of it matters. your life has no meaning... worm food.

atheism is convenient, until you are in the winter of your life...

really now?

jeezus....
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Buy/Sell/Trade :: Yamaha Ns-10m for sale in MPLS

Burnt Ernie — Thu, 02 Sep 2010 17:16:01 GMT

Author: Burnt Ernie
Subject: Yamaha Ns-10m for sale in MPLS
Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2010 1:16 pm (GMT -4)

Hey! Anyone in Mpls need these? Gotta pay the bills. Thanks! E.

http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/hnp/msg/1932930417.html
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Tape Op Message Board (TOMB) :: RE: SITE ATTACK AGAIN

bantam — Thu, 02 Sep 2010 17:10:16 GMT

Author: bantam
Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2010 1:10 pm (GMT -4)

way to go hacker types. you really stuck it to the man. you shut down tape op. ooooooooo
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Gear Talk :: RE: Australian gear manufacturers?

Ryan Silva — Thu, 02 Sep 2010 16:46:00 GMT

Author: Ryan Silva
Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2010 12:46 pm (GMT -4)

Event is now owned by Rode, so I guess that counts.

I do love my Event Opals!!!
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Recording Techniques :: RE: Penis Envy and Drum Recording

Gentleman Jim — Thu, 02 Sep 2010 16:45:20 GMT

Author: Gentleman Jim
Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2010 12:45 pm (GMT -4)

Recycled_Brains wrote:

Kind of like when we ask the guitarist/bassist to turn down a bit to make for a better stage balance, and they pretend to actually turn down the vol. pot on their amp.

I worked for a lead singer who I'll call "Mr. Smith," (one person on this board played with him in a band for a short time), and his name is now a unit of measurement.

One "Smith" is the amount that monitor volume changes by holding your hand over the send and furrowing your brow as you look at the artist. A "KiloSmith" (equal to 1000 "Smiths"), is how much the volume changes when you bend over and blow on the send.

People Skills :: RE: How to tell a guitarist he didn't make the cut?

kslight — Thu, 02 Sep 2010 16:44:46 GMT

Author: kslight
Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2010 12:44 pm (GMT -4)

Just be honest, like others said. I think direct closure would be appreciated by him versus the alternative. Or you could save $$$ and make your own coffee .

Listening to Other Music :: RE: Metal/Hardcore/Grind/Crust people, what'r you into nowadays?

Palmer — Thu, 02 Sep 2010 16:20:02 GMT

Author: Palmer
Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2010 12:20 pm (GMT -4)

Recycled Brains thank you for starting this thread!
I've been sampling the bands and
today I bought the Christian Mistress record.
Thanks Capt. Tripsballsington it sounds awesome!

Recording Techniques :: RE: Penis Envy and Drum Recording

Recycled_Brains — Thu, 02 Sep 2010 16:09:08 GMT

Author: Recycled_Brains
Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2010 12:09 pm (GMT -4)

Gentleman Jim wrote:

Oh yes... Have done that many times.

Kind of like when we ask the guitarist/bassist to turn down a bit to make for a better stage balance, and they pretend to actually turn down the vol. pot on their amp.

Shit cracks me up.
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Recording Techniques :: RE: Penis Envy and Drum Recording

Gentleman Jim — Thu, 02 Sep 2010 16:01:23 GMT

Author: Gentleman Jim
Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2010 12:01 pm (GMT -4)

Recycled_Brains wrote:

Doing FOH, however.... a frustratingly huge number of instances of drummers trying to tell me how to do my job.

Yeah, me too. However, even as someone who loves to debate and hates to give in, I noticed a long time ago that it was much more productive to just put up the superfluous mic and then I could decide whether or not to use it. If a performer is nervous or insecure, there's no use in exacerbating the problem by arguing with them. I've even put up mics and had a wire going to nowhere just to make performers more comfortable. (Although in that case it was a percussion OH for a lead singer... because of course you need an extra mic to be sure that cowbell is really heard!)

And I have to admit that I was quite happy once that the drummer insisted on a hi hat mic; they sounded great and he did a number of really cool accents on the hi hat. I was able to get a really focused sound for a small club, which is usually unnecessary sonic clutter.

People Skills :: RE: How to tell a guitarist he didn't make the cut?

Jitters — Thu, 02 Sep 2010 15:44:41 GMT

Author: Jitters
Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2010 11:44 am (GMT -4)

You were able to sum up a lot of good things about the guys personality and playing, so I would go at it like that.

Let him anticipate the 'but' while you compliment him. That way he already knows and is smiling by the time you tell him.

Much, much better than the other way around: "I don't think it's going to work out, but..."

DIY Gear :: my diy scematics page

casey campbell — Thu, 02 Sep 2010 15:43:11 GMT

Author: casey campbell
Subject: my diy scematics page
Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2010 11:43 am (GMT -4)

i just wanted to share my schematics gallery over here:

http://www.aronnelson.com/gallery/main.php/v/Caseys-Vintage-Effect-Page/

there are 3 pages (toward the bottom of the page) of categories...so make sure you check them all out!

good luck!
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Buy/Sell/Trade :: RE: FS: Focusrite ISA 428-w/o AD card...NEW PRICE

mortimersnerdy — Thu, 02 Sep 2010 15:41:45 GMT

Author: mortimersnerdy
Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2010 11:41 am (GMT -4)

upwards
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People Skills :: RE: How to tell a guitarist he didn't make the cut?

Recycled_Brains — Thu, 02 Sep 2010 15:32:06 GMT

Author: Recycled_Brains
Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2010 11:32 am (GMT -4)

Appreciate the advice!

suppositron wrote:

Or maybe it's just a matter of telling him the direction you guys want to go in. Maybe he just came up with a different idea and thought he was bringing something to the table and that you guys were looking for a change.

I've considered that, but there are certain things about his personality and his technique, etc. that make me realize that he just isn't in the same mindset when we're playing. And in fairness, I did have a discussion with him about where I'm coming from when I write the songs, and why I do what I do, and the direction I see the band going, what we don't want, etc.

I remember the first time the drummer and I jammed. It was like "holy shit, this is incredible!". Just instantly knew it was right. Then the bassist came into the fold, and it was the same thing. He just came in and blew us away. Just FELT good, got me more excited about the songs. Then the singer tried out... as soon as he opened his mouth and started screaming (we're a metal/hardcore band), we all started headbanging and raging out like we were playing a show. It was a special moment.

That didn't happen last night. That's what I wanted to happen, but it just didn't. I think if the person is right for the band, we'll just know, and he/she will instintively know what to do, because he/she is on the same page as the rest of us.
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People Skills :: RE: How to tell a guitarist he didn't make the cut?

suppositron — Thu, 02 Sep 2010 15:19:15 GMT

Author: suppositron
Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2010 11:19 am (GMT -4)

Ouch. That's kinda like dating someone you work with. If it doesn't work out it's gonna be awkward every time you see them.

Just flat out tell him what you already wrote. Telling him he's a great guitar player but not right stylistically really shouldn't hurt his ego. Or maybe it's just a matter of telling him the direction you guys want to go in. Maybe he just came up with a different idea and thought he was bringing something to the table and that you guys were looking for a change.
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People Skills :: RE: How to tell a guitarist he didn't make the cut?

sfsonarboy — Thu, 02 Sep 2010 15:12:13 GMT

Author: sfsonarboy
Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2010 11:12 am (GMT -4)

I generally find that communicating these kinda things honestly, briefly, and directly (like the positive way you describe the situation in your post) gives the best chance of things going smoothly. I try to envision myself on the other side of these conversations: Even if I'm not happy about what I'm being told, it's much easier to move forward when the message comes from an honest and understanding space. Tough though and never fun...

People Skills :: RE: Interview tips for intership

Recycled_Brains — Thu, 02 Sep 2010 15:07:38 GMT

Author: Recycled_Brains
Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2010 11:07 am (GMT -4)

Hope you get it.

I've always been terrible at interviews, though there was one for an internship that I thought went very well, and yet I still didn't get the gig. Actually glad I didn't though, because the one that I DID get later on, has developed into a great friendship and collaborative relationship.

I guess my point is... if it doesn't work out, don't get discouraged or down on yourself about it. Just keep at it, and you'll land in a good place. Taking the initiative to seek out advice on this sort of thing, in and of itself, is a good quality to have. I know a handful of "engineers" that think they know everything. Huge turnoff.
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People Skills :: How to tell a guitarist he didn't make the cut?

Recycled_Brains — Thu, 02 Sep 2010 14:55:46 GMT

Author: Recycled_Brains
Subject: How to tell a guitarist he didn't make the cut?
Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2010 10:55 am (GMT -4)

My band tried out a 2nd guitarist last nigh. Totally awesome dude, that I see everyday when I buy my morning coffee (he's a barista, or whatever you call it). Over the past few months we got talking about music and such, and turns out he's into a lot of the same shit, studied with the same gtr. teacher in college, jammed with people I know, was way into my old band, etc.... Fig'd, "hey, this dude should come try out!"

We're not actively seeking out a 2nd guitarist, but are open to the idea, so I fig'd he'd be a good candidate.

Anyways... had him over last week, taught him a song, then he came to practice last night with some parts that he had worked on for it. I will say, that he is a REALLY good guitar player. He obviously worked very hard and put a lot of thought into what he showed us last night.

Yet, it just didn't feel right. His parts were completely changing the feel of the song (a song we've been playing for a while now, and love). Just not appropriate. Like he didn't "get" what we are going for and where we are coming from, doesn't really bring the same intensity that the rest of us do.... I also heard some stuff he wrote, and didn't dig it either. Again, good, but just not my thing, and def. not the sort of thing the band does.

We all decided he's not really a good fit stylistically. As I said, he's a great player, just not the right player. His sound doesn't really work either. Dual Rectifier/Les Paul Special vs. my 50w JMP/vintage SG combo.... just doesn't work for our overall sound.

What it really comes down to, is that we sound better when it's just the 4 of us in the room raging with each other.

I've never had to do this before... How do I break it to him that it's not going to work out? Any pointers?

It's rough, because I'm still going to see him everyday, and we have mutual friends and stuff, so I want to avoid making it awkward.
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Buy/Sell/Trade :: WTB Earthworks SR71 or SR25

Brian Miller — Thu, 02 Sep 2010 14:45:49 GMT

Author: Brian Miller
Subject: WTB Earthworks SR71 or SR25
Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2010 10:45 am (GMT -4)

Got a matched pair of SR71's off ebay, one came in bunk. Got an SR25 off thecheat from here... Trying to get another of either pm or email theboogiebarn(at)yahoo.com

Thanks in advance --brian

Buy/Sell/Trade :: RE: FS: Earthworks SR25 Condenser Pair

A National Acrobat — Thu, 02 Sep 2010 14:43:07 GMT

Author: A National Acrobat
Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2010 10:43 am (GMT -4)

Yes indeed.

Recording Techniques :: RE: Penis Envy and Drum Recording

Recycled_Brains — Thu, 02 Sep 2010 14:39:35 GMT

Author: Recycled_Brains
Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2010 10:39 am (GMT -4)

subatomic pieces wrote:

The best way to silence a backseat engineer is to hit play and blow their minds with what comes out of the monitors.

+58

Honestly though, this type of thing hasn't really happened to me in the studio, that I can recall.

Doing FOH, however.... a frustratingly huge number of instances of drummers trying to tell me how to do my job.
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