Pro Tools 10 is here!

vxboogie · Post by **vxboogie** » Thu Oct 20, 2011 6:06 pm

http://www.avid.com/US/products/pro-too ... p=AV-HP-S2
Seems like 9 just came out a blink ago!

digitaldrummer · Post by **digitaldrummer** » Thu Oct 20, 2011 6:28 pm

wow and what a deal! Only $299 for an upgrade.

I am really tired of Avid's "upgrades". Especially since there are still many unresolved issues with PT9. Don't get me wrong, I like PT9, and I have learned to work around most of the issues that I have encountered.

but this is the world we live in... Add new features before we get the new features from the last upgrade working 100%. Perhaps Avid will consider changing their names to "MicroAvid" or "AvidSoft".

vxboogie · Post by **vxboogie** » Thu Oct 20, 2011 6:32 pm

digitaldrummer wrote:wow and what a deal! Only $299 for an upgrade.

I am really tired of Avid's "upgrades". Especially since there are still many unresolved issues with PT9. Don't get me wrong, I like PT9, and I have learned to work around most of the issues that I have encountered.

but this is the world we live in... Add new features before we get the new features from the last upgrade working 100%. Perhaps Avid will consider changing their names to "MicroAvid" or "AvidSoft".

Agree 100%

kslight · Post by **kslight** » Thu Oct 20, 2011 7:43 pm

I like PT9 and use it a lot...but didn't we just buy an upgrade..?

And didn't I just fork over $300 for that privilege less than a year ago?

I just upgraded Reason to version 6 under the pay what you want price model. While Reason is not really a comparable DAW for everyone, it has come a long way and I use it more and more for creative tasks (versus utility tasks in Pro Tools).
I'm not even asking for a pay as you want model from Avid, but something like $100 seems fair for an upgrade so soon. I bet they'd make more money just from users who may otherwise decide to opt out of this upgrade, or pirate it if they are so inclined.

Is it just me, or do the HDX cards look a lot like rebadged video cards?

fossiltooth · Post by **fossiltooth** » Thu Oct 20, 2011 8:22 pm

I just came back from the Avid press junket. You may see a full-scale review from me at some point soon, but for the time being, here's what I've got: PT10 is probably a pretty good value for anyone looking to buy a new system. You can get more power for less money when it comes to the hardware, and the software has a couple of neat new features.

But is it worth a $300 upgrade if you're a small independent owner-operated studio that just upgraded to PT9? Probably not. I wouldn't sweat it too much. PT10 sessions can be saved as backward-compatible files. There's no reason to "keep up with the joneses" if you the new software offers features you just don't need.

To be fair, PT10 has a completely new architecture under the hood. $300 may be a fair price to ask based on the sheer amount of work they put into it - But whether that's a good value for your studio? That really depends. If you don't need the features, you're under no requirement to upgrade.

More importantly, I think the subtext of the press conference was that this release suggests a new market strategy for Avid going forward. It was kind of under-the-surface and easy to miss. But to me that's the real story. More on that some other time.

digitaldrummer · Post by **digitaldrummer** » Thu Oct 20, 2011 8:40 pm

the $249 LE to PT9 upgrade was almost a no-brainer for me. The delay-comp alone was worth the upgrade, but there are other new features I like too.

This one I just can't see. I think I paid $50 and $75 for a couple previous upgrades and while I still wasn't very happy about it, those were much more reasonable.

$299 on the other hand could buy:

* a used DBX 160A or 160X comp
* 3 x new SM57's
* 3 x Audix i5's (for you 57 haters)
* one or more Waves plug-in packages (on the lower end)
* Several of the Massey plugins
* a UAD-2 (if you throw in another $100)
* one of those new Chameleon Labs 581 pres (+$100)
* a Zildjian Sweet Ride (21")
* gasoline
* beer

roygbiv · Post by **roygbiv** » Thu Oct 20, 2011 10:37 pm

or 5 copies of Reaper

(unless you are making over $20,000/year recording music, then it would only be 1 copy, but you'd still have $74 dollars left over to buy a Rolling Stones or U2 ticket or something. But then again, if you made more than $20,000/year recording music then you probably on first name basis with those guys and would be on the guest list anyway, so you'd have to spend the $74 on something else, like maybe a cool tie or some highlights for your rocker dude hair extensions).

shakestheclown · Post by **shakestheclown** » Fri Oct 21, 2011 2:11 am

Can I turn off Input Monitoring in PT10 so I can use my console for cue mixes without muting or re-routing? That'd be nice.

Chris_Avakian · Post by **Chris_Avakian** » Fri Oct 21, 2011 2:14 am

I STILL HAVENT EVEN SAVED UP ENOUGH TO BUY PT9!!!! WTF?!?!?!

Nick Sevilla · Post by **Nick Sevilla** » Fri Oct 21, 2011 8:21 am

The HD upgrade is 999. So for you using the Native version only, it is a good deal.

Me, I'll wait until it is absolutely necessary, and buy a whole new system with a newer mac to run it on.

Cheers

rydberg · Post by **rydberg** » Fri Oct 21, 2011 9:48 am

Personally, I'm enjoying watching everyone on the DUC and GS freak out about how their PT system is now "obsolete" and how expensive it is to upgrade an existing system.

To which I say: aren't you already producing audio on your existing system with (hopefully) relative ease? And nobody from Avid is FORCING you to upgrade, right? It reminds me of this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8r1CZTLk-Gk

Sheesh.

P.

Bro Shark · Post by **Bro Shark** » Fri Oct 21, 2011 1:26 pm

I'm fine with this, as long as they don't abandon us cavemen/luddites who were expecting to get at least a few years out of our PT9 purchase.

Electro-Voice 664 · Post by **Electro-Voice 664** » Fri Oct 21, 2011 2:49 pm

Bro Shark wrote:I'm fine with this, as long as they don't abandon us cavemen/luddites who were expecting to get at least a few years out of our PT9 purchase.

Whoa, you're still on 9?

John Jeffers · Post by **John Jeffers** » Fri Oct 21, 2011 2:52 pm

I got it last night, and after playing with it today, I feel pretty comfortable saying that it's much less necessary than the jump from PT8 to PT9. That was huge, and worth every penny, 'cause it fixed many of the glaring problems.

With PT10, yeah, there's some cool stuff, but no "gotta-have-it" features, and if I was stuck on PT9 for a while longer, it'd be no big deal.

If you use a UAD card or other 3rd party DSP, you might be interested to know that the delay comp has been increased to a max of 16,383 samples -- four times the amount in PT9.

I can see myself using Clip Gain once I get in the habit. I used to do that all the time back in my Cubase days, but got away from it when I switched to Pro Tools and it was no longer an option. For sure, at least, it'll save me from having to go to a Gain plugin to fix a small section of a track.

I can say that it's been pretty usable for a .0 release. Every session I've opened has fired up without a problem. (I should mention that I did a clean reinstall of the OS before I installed Pro Tools. I think this is good practice for a DAW. Keeps the buildup of clutter from happening).

alexdingley · Post by **alexdingley** » Sat Oct 22, 2011 4:56 am

Hey all,

A friend of mine is very excited about this, mostly for one reason... He said that they announced the mix bus and channels now have improved headroom in the non HD version... as in, the native version has the exact same mix-engine math as the full HD version, which would be big. Apparently they even admitted (finally) that the older versions had a big difference in the summing system between LE/Native/HD... which is kinda interesting. Has anyone verified that yet?

I sum on my Toft, so it may not end up being a huge upgrade from 9 for me... but I'm certainly curious... However I did just pay $299 to upgrade about 10 months ago, so that's a ball-tap that I'm none too thrilled about.

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