Vista and audio apps?

JGriffin · Post by **JGriffin** » Wed Jan 31, 2007 3:14 pm

apropos of nothing wrote:I thought it would be bad. It looks as if it will be ridiculous.
http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/p ... _cost.html

wow, I thought I hated Microsoft before...

kayagum · Post by **kayagum** » Wed Jan 31, 2007 8:53 pm

My boss at work tried to install Vista on his new PC that he built, and he said it was really buggy....

... I would say leave Vista alone until you buy a machine with it preinstalled.

You never should buy the version 1.0 of anything. For OS, wait until at least the first service pack.

wedge · Post by **wedge** » Wed Jan 31, 2007 10:32 pm

apropos of nothing wrote:I thought it would be bad. It looks as if it will be ridiculous.
http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/p ... _cost.html

My god...

No wonder it's taken so long to get vista up and running... It's the hi-tech equivalent of trying to stuff the digital genie back into the bottle... So many control mechanisms to *prevent* things...

I like this quote: "The Vista Content Protection specification could very well constitute the longest suicide note in history."

I honestly can't see how people will put up with this crap...

ceilingcat84 · Post by **ceilingcat84** » Thu Feb 01, 2007 3:53 pm

Wow. I didn't think I could hate Microsoft much more than I already do, but this shit really takes the cake. I like the statement about how trying to make digital files uncopyable is like trying to make water not wet.

apropos of nothing · Post by **apropos of nothing** » Thu Feb 01, 2007 4:32 pm

The more I read about Vista, the better my Win2k installation looks.

John Jeffers · Post by **John Jeffers** » Fri Feb 02, 2007 12:09 pm

I've been playing around with Vista since mid-2006 thanks to my MSDN account. I really tried to like Vista, but I just can't. In my opinion, there's no reason to upgrade from XP, which at this point is pretty solid. Vista just feels slow and bloated. The eye candy is distracting (just my opinion, and you should know that the first thing I do when I install WinXP is set the theme to "Classic"). And too many things are "protected" now, to the point that getting around the OS is too slow for me.

FWIW, I'm not a Microsoft basher. I think XP is a great OS that's stable and fast on decent hardware. I was really looking forward to Vista. But IMHO it doesn't deliver any real reasons to upgrade, and if I were to buy a new computer with Vista for recording audio, I'd wipe it and install XP instead. Maybe things will improve when they release the first Service Pack.

kweis7 · Post by **kweis7** » Fri Feb 02, 2007 1:13 pm

My DAW right now is a pretty happy camper on XP SP2. I'll switch to a MAC before I'll use Vista for audio although hopefully there will be some improvements with open source linux DAW's by the time I have to make that decision. Reading these articles today actually made me a bit more paranoid than I already am:

http://www.computerworld.com/action/art ... Id=9005047

http://www.computerworld.com/action/art ... geNumber=3

Combine microsoft's proprietary code with hardcore DRM (hardware and software instances it looks like) and you've got an OS I would not touch. It is like GWB/Cheney/Gonzalez designed an OS...

apropos of nothing · Post by **apropos of nothing** » Fri Feb 02, 2007 1:42 pm

kweis7 wrote: It is like GWB/Cheney/Gonzalez designed an OS...

Bwahah. That's an incredibly apt way of looking at it. And as a matter of fact, it almost works according to the layer of abstraction: Bush is the interface, Cheney is the OS, and Gonzalez is the hardware implementation with SSL.

kweis7 · Post by **kweis7** » Fri Feb 02, 2007 2:01 pm

apropos of nothing wrote:
kweis7 wrote: It is like GWB/Cheney/Gonzalez designed an OS...
Bwahah. That's an incredibly apt way of looking at it. And as a matter of fact, it almost works according to the layer of abstraction: Bush is the interface, Cheney is the OS, and Gonzalez is the hardware implementation with SSL.

That is a riot (and perhaps a reason for a little revoluti...)!!! Hilarious and so awful at the same time. Thank god I'm on a Suse box right now or I'd think GW was looking right at me. Oh yeah, one of his lackies probably is!

Is it 2008 yet????

OK, 'nuff politics!!!!!!

GooberNumber9 · Post by **GooberNumber9** » Fri Feb 02, 2007 6:54 pm

John Jeffers wrote:I've been playing around with Vista since mid-2006 thanks to my MSDN account. I really tried to like Vista, but I just can't. In my opinion, there's no reason to upgrade from XP, which at this point is pretty solid. Vista just feels slow and bloated. The eye candy is distracting (just my opinion, and you should know that the first thing I do when I install WinXP is set the theme to "Classic"). And too many things are "protected" now, to the point that getting around the OS is too slow for me.

FWIW, I'm not a Microsoft basher. I think XP is a great OS that's stable and fast on decent hardware. I was really looking forward to Vista. But IMHO it doesn't deliver any real reasons to upgrade, and if I were to buy a new computer with Vista for recording audio, I'd wipe it and install XP instead. Maybe things will improve when they release the first Service Pack.

+1 on everything you wrote.

Just sat down to one of our Vista test machines today and tried to get some work done. Let's just say I'm not looking forward to our clients having Vista on their networks any time soon. I'm really going to miss Windows XP. Hopefully I'll be out of IT and making a living in post production before it gets bad. :)

Todd Wilcox

inverseroom · Post by **inverseroom** » Fri Feb 02, 2007 7:39 pm

Are musicians and engineers looking at a Linux future? Or just three years before Vista is actually stable for audio?

John Jeffers · Post by **John Jeffers** » Sat Feb 03, 2007 8:51 am

inverseroom wrote:Are musicians and engineers looking at a Linux future? Or just three years before Vista is actually stable for audio?

No one I know of is seriously considering Linux for audio. Linux on the desktop, despite all the hype, just doesn't measure up to Windows or Mac. It's not that Linux is bad, but rather that very few major software manufacturers are taking it seriously. It's the classic chicken-and-egg problem...no one will use it because there's no software for it, and software companies don't develop for it because not enough people use it.

Linux is great for servers, and just fine for basic desktop computer use, but for audio you'll have a much easier time with OSX or Windows.

;ivlunsdystf · Post by **;ivlunsdystf** » Sat Feb 03, 2007 10:32 am

How about they sell us a version of Tracktion or cheapo Cubase with a Linux distro right there on the install CD?

Of course, "they" make their money by selling software for Windows users. That's the chicken/egg issue. I agree.

I think it's worse than merely the chicken/egg problem: Desktop/home Linux users must look like a self-selected bunch of cheapskates, the worst kind of customers you'd ever want if you were making and selling an OS: Never content with the "vanilla" way, always trying to tweak/hack their systems, and rarely willing to pay for software. At least that's how we must look to the average Best Buy sales associate or Dell call center worker. (I say "we" as I use Ubuntu for everyday surfing and Windows 2000 and XP for the music stuff)

I will say this: Used computers with very attractive specs will increasingly be flooding Craigslist (or the landfills) as non-power users migrate to Vista and need bigger systems to handle their new Blu-Ray porn collections.

Brian Brock · Post by **Brian Brock** » Sat Feb 03, 2007 10:35 am

Microsoft is planning to support XP for 7 more years, and apparently there will even be a Service Pack 3.

;ivlunsdystf · Post by **;ivlunsdystf** » Sat Feb 03, 2007 10:50 am

Brian Brock wrote:Microsoft is planning to support XP for 7 more years, and apparently there will even be a Service Pack 3.

That's great news for me. And in seven years, maybe we'll all be using that legendary/possibly nonexistent Google OS.

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