Does anyone still mix / master without viewing WAVs ??

cjogo · Post by **cjogo** » Wed Oct 13, 2010 9:55 pm

Wow does this look complicated..... You really have to use this software to edit/make music ???

MoreSpaceEcho wrote:

chris harris · Post by **chris harris** » Wed Oct 13, 2010 11:39 pm

you don't use wave editing because you don't need to. your clients are so talented that editing is never necessary. the old dudes you work with flush more talent down the toilet each morning than the new fangled whipersnappers with their computerizers and gizmos that the rest of us are forced to deal with every day. fine. that is a perfectly acceptable way to work. turn the page.

MoreSpaceEcho · Post by **MoreSpaceEcho** » Thu Oct 14, 2010 10:57 am

cjogo wrote:Wow does this look complicated.....

you can't see 'em but there's another 40 tracks on that song that look just like those.

look at it again. it's not complicated at all. all i'm doing is muting some parts/notes and doing some fades.

You really have to use this software to edit/make music ???

i use that software to make music because it's amazingly easy, fast and intuitive.

JGriffin · Post by **JGriffin** » Thu Oct 14, 2010 11:41 am

chris harris · Post by **chris harris** » Thu Oct 14, 2010 11:45 am

Dang. Do you guys ever get to work with people who know how to play music?

JGriffin · Post by **JGriffin** » Thu Oct 14, 2010 11:50 am

subatomic pieces wrote:Dang. Do you guys ever get to work with people who know how to play music?

Almost never!

As an exercise, if you drew a picture of what a 24-track analog recording looked like, with breaks for all the punch-ins and comps, and blank bits for noise-gated tacets...how dissimilar would it look to what MSE and I posted?

MoreSpaceEcho · Post by **MoreSpaceEcho** » Thu Oct 14, 2010 12:28 pm

just try and imagine what a diagram of the 32 track master of talk talk's 'laughingstock' would look like.

of course, that's awful music made by terrible musicians...

MoreSpaceEcho · Post by **MoreSpaceEcho** » Thu Oct 14, 2010 12:33 pm

also, dwlb, i like how you have 'kik1', 'kik2', and 'bassdrum'...all doing different things.

back in the day, good bands just needed one bass drum. you crazy kids and your protools.

thethingwiththestuff · Post by **thethingwiththestuff** » Thu Oct 14, 2010 12:34 pm

"hooooowee, look at all them knobs - you really know what each one does? hehehehehehehehehehe"

MoreSpaceEcho · Post by **MoreSpaceEcho** » Thu Oct 14, 2010 12:37 pm

i'm just going to keep posting until we drag this stupid bastard to 20 goddamn pages.

dwlb, what's up with "pianoNEW"???? couldn't you get it right the first time???

and what's up with the form? it's all choruses! doesn't anyone write verses anymore?

hell:handbasket

thethingwiththestuff · Post by **thethingwiththestuff** » Thu Oct 14, 2010 12:44 pm

"hoooooweee, look at..."

i need more day work.

JGriffin · Post by **JGriffin** » Thu Oct 14, 2010 1:21 pm

MoreSpaceEcho wrote:i'm just going to keep posting until we drag this stupid bastard to 20 goddamn pages.

dwlb, what's up with "pianoNEW"???? couldn't you get it right the first time???

and what's up with the form? it's all choruses! doesn't anyone write verses anymore?

hell:handbasket

(pianoNEW refers to when we had to rebuild the entire arrangement in a different key...)

JGriffin · Post by **JGriffin** » Thu Oct 14, 2010 1:23 pm

MoreSpaceEcho wrote:also, dwlb, i like how you have 'kik1', 'kik2', and 'bassdrum'...all doing different things.

back in the day, good bands just needed one bass drum. you crazy kids and your protools.

My crazy-ass drummer wanted to overdub a second kick. I don't think we ended up using it at the mix. Also, "bass drum" in this context is an orchestral instrument one hits with a mallet. I'm sure "back in the day" such a thing was employed by Phil Spector on at least one occasion...

JGriffin · Post by **JGriffin** » Thu Oct 14, 2010 1:24 pm

I just realized that screen cap doesn't even include the tracks for the three vocalists...

tmarkov1 · Post by **tmarkov1** » Thu Oct 14, 2010 1:55 pm

I guess I am not understanding this thread? I am 100% in the box at the moment. I do mix occasionally to 1/2", but when I mix to track on the DAW, I still gotta watch my VU and peak meters, just like a REAL desk. If your levels are good, they are good. Who is the waveform expert that can tell what a mix sounds like by the visual appearance of the waveform?

Gotta mix with your ears and watch the meters from time to time.

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