Steven Massey (of Massey plug-ins) getting screwed by Nady

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Post by LazarusLong » Fri Feb 26, 2010 7:46 am

casey campbell wrote:dear urine
yes.
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Post by ubertar » Fri Feb 26, 2010 7:47 am

LazarusLong wrote:
casey campbell wrote:dear urine
yes.
sung to the tune of "dear prudence"...

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Post by Snarl 12/8 » Fri Feb 26, 2010 8:26 am

ubertar wrote:
LazarusLong wrote:
casey campbell wrote:dear urine
yes.
sung to the tune of "dear prudence"...
+1 (That's verbatim what I thought when I read that.)

Remember "the most irritating song" thread? We, as tapeopers, ought to have a competition to see who can create the song that ejects the salsa band/drummer the fastest. (and perhaps at the lowest volume, just to keep things civil.) Whoever wins gets free Massey plugins for life, right? "Dear Urine", sung to the tune of "Dear Prudence" would probably work on me.

O man, I just had a thought, pump brown noise through the wall?! Doesn't Leigh himself even have a plugin that could help in that dept? In fact, that's my entry into the competition. 6-10Hz at 150db. I guess I won't win the lowest volume part of it, but does it count if it's inaudible? Stock up on TP, Steven Massey.

Edit: I just realized, my plan is so brilliant. He'll even be able to record all he wants with the noise on, he'll just need to high pass all his mic signals at 20Hz or so.
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Post by casey campbell » Fri Feb 26, 2010 8:44 am

hmmmm. that's strange...i checked my original post and "deer" is spelled correctly.

ha ha ha ha

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Post by Jay Reynolds » Fri Feb 26, 2010 9:05 am

Snarl 12/8 wrote:
leigh wrote:OK, now that this thread is properly falling apart and backlashing, can I call a point of order?
Gentleman Jim wrote:...how could you let a stupid move like this taint the perception you have in the marketplace?
He said "taint". Heh heh, heh heh.
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Post by LazarusLong » Fri Feb 26, 2010 9:31 am

casey campbell wrote:hmmmm. that's strange...i checked my original post and "deer" is spelled correctly.

ha ha ha ha
too bad you left the timestamp on your post that shows when you last edited it.... 45 minutes after i quoted you :roll:
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Post by ott0bot » Fri Feb 26, 2010 9:40 am

I'm so glad this thread turned into a comedy bit. It was getting way to serious for this forum. :D

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Post by Ron's Brother » Fri Feb 26, 2010 10:07 am

The best way to solve this issue with the least amount of collateral damage is to have a "dance off.?

The neighboring Salsa dancers will be the judges.
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Post by casey campbell » Fri Feb 26, 2010 12:12 pm

LazarusLong wrote:
casey campbell wrote:hmmmm. that's strange...i checked my original post and "deer" is spelled correctly.

ha ha ha ha
too bad you left the timestamp on your post that shows when you last edited it.... 45 minutes after i quoted you :roll:
that's why i said "ha ha ha" at the end. i was joking... :roll: :wink:

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Post by LazarusLong » Fri Feb 26, 2010 1:06 pm

casey campbell wrote:
LazarusLong wrote:
casey campbell wrote:hmmmm. that's strange...i checked my original post and "deer" is spelled correctly.

ha ha ha ha
too bad you left the timestamp on your post that shows when you last edited it.... 45 minutes after i quoted you :roll:
that's why i said "ha ha ha" at the end. i was joking... :roll: :wink:
This is why I hate the interwebz sometimes, because there's no universally accepted way to notate humor within a font or perhaps some time of punctuation.

...From hereon out, anything encapsulated with tildes (~) is humor! This is awesome, Y/N?
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Reply from Nady

Post by 2sides » Fri Feb 26, 2010 1:37 pm

Hi Steve,

I have to say I was quite stunned and disturbed by your February 22 web-posting and particularly by your decision to make our current dispute public with such a harshly worded, one-sided view of the situation.

Let me begin by saying that I?m sincerely sorry things have deteriorated to the point that they have. Our intention was never to mislead, cover up, or misrepresent the truth in any way and I honestly do not believe that we did. In retrospect, however, I do believe you perhaps made some incorrect assumptions about the rental space. As a matter of record, the space that you leased has been used as a very successful professional recording studio for more than 20 years. There are several other leased spaces within the building including a few used by musicians for practice/rehearsal purposes. This fact was never hidden from you, nor would we have any reason to try to hide it from you. It would make no sense to do so. We?re not in the business of bamboozling prospective tenants or trying to take advantage of people. If we were, we?d have no tenants, nor would they stick around for many years, as they have, making good use of their rented space.

From our perspective, we?ve tried to be as cooperative and helpful as possible since the start of your lease. As you know we immediately addressed your concerns about the unexpected roof leak, the sliding door lock, and even agreed to extend the lease start date by a couple of weeks at your request. As your main contact during the leasing process I?ve tried to be as helpful and responsive as possible, and so for you to characterize me as indifferent, unconcerned, and dishonest is frankly inaccurate and unfair.

Also inaccurate and unfair are your representations regarding the timeline and information you were given. Although the lease agreement states that the ?premises would only be used for software development?, part-time recording use was also discussed. You were, in fact, originally told this building also contained band rehearsal rooms and you could easily have inquired into possible noise matters if this was a concern of yours before signing the lease, as well as before signing the addendum two weeks later for the delayed starting date. In addition, last Sunday, February 21, you were told by a long-time tenant of the building that almost all the rehearsals are on Wednesday nights, with only sporadic practice on other evenings. Certainly the vast majority of time during the week was available for your intended use. In fact you commented to two independent witnesses last Sunday, after being informed of typical rehearsal schedules, that ?you could easily work around that? and ?would be moving in this week.?

Given this scenario, we honestly have no idea what the true reason is that you wish to break your one-year lease. But whatever the reason, we see absolutely no justification for your slanderous attacks and threats against our company. Your decision to broadcast an unfortunate personal business dispute across the Internet is improper, inappropriate, and unethical, and I hope your supporters can now see that our current differences are much less one-sided than as represented in your Feb 22 letter. ?Shame on Nady? has been the general response we?ve received from your camp since you went public with this, but I daresay that shame has been misdirected.

We fully understand that when attorneys enter the picture things tend to take on a different tone. Both John and I would have been happy to speak with you directly as we do with other tenants, but once we received your inflammatory letter of Feb 7 and your follow-up e-mail, this no longer seemed a reasonable option. I hope you see that now in retrospect.

Clearly the situation we now find ourselves in is unfortunate. Your space has been off the market for almost 2 months based on your commitment to lease it, resulting in lost leasing opportunities. The situation is by no means as clear-cut and one-sided as described in your Feb 22 web-posting of condemnation (inexplicably made the day after you said you?d be moving in this week after all). Like you, we are also part of the pro audio community and greatly value this community. Sniping at us as you have by way of the Internet is a low blow and a disappointing response to say the least. Although things have now escalated, we propose trying to work things out as fairly and amicably as possible. If you?d like to meet with John and me, please let me know by return email and we can try to set up a meeting in the next few days. I?m still hopeful we can resolve our differences without further escalation. If not, we have no choice but to rely on the legal system to help resolve this dispute.

I look forward to hearing from you.

Toby

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Post by casey campbell » Fri Feb 26, 2010 2:07 pm

LazarusLong wrote:
casey campbell wrote:
LazarusLong wrote:
casey campbell wrote:hmmmm. that's strange...i checked my original post and "deer" is spelled correctly.

ha ha ha ha
too bad you left the timestamp on your post that shows when you last edited it.... 45 minutes after i quoted you :roll:
that's why i said "ha ha ha" at the end. i was joking... :roll: :wink:
This is why I hate the interwebz sometimes, because there's no universally accepted way to notate humor within a font or perhaps some time of punctuation.

...From hereon out, anything encapsulated with tildes (~) is humor! This is awesome, Y/N?
this idea does have a bit of awesome in it. hmmm. i may have an "awesomer" idea. since most of the world can't find the squiggly thingies you speak of, how about the words, "ha ha ha" at the end of the phrase to denote humor. perhaps this would be a little more universal? ha ha ha

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Re: Reply from Nady

Post by Jay Reynolds » Fri Feb 26, 2010 2:09 pm

2sides wrote:Hi Steve,

I have to say I was quite stunned and disturbed by your February 22 web-posting and particularly by your decision to make our current dispute public with such a harshly worded, one-sided view of the situation.

Let me begin by saying that I?m sincerely sorry things have deteriorated to the point that they have. Our intention was never to mislead, cover up, or misrepresent the truth in any way and I honestly do not believe that we did. In retrospect, however, I do believe you perhaps made some incorrect assumptions about the rental space. As a matter of record, the space that you leased has been used as a very successful professional recording studio for more than 20 years. There are several other leased spaces within the building including a few used by musicians for practice/rehearsal purposes. This fact was never hidden from you, nor would we have any reason to try to hide it from you. It would make no sense to do so. We?re not in the business of bamboozling prospective tenants or trying to take advantage of people. If we were, we?d have no tenants, nor would they stick around for many years, as they have, making good use of their rented space.

From our perspective, we?ve tried to be as cooperative and helpful as possible since the start of your lease. As you know we immediately addressed your concerns about the unexpected roof leak, the sliding door lock, and even agreed to extend the lease start date by a couple of weeks at your request. As your main contact during the leasing process I?ve tried to be as helpful and responsive as possible, and so for you to characterize me as indifferent, unconcerned, and dishonest is frankly inaccurate and unfair.

Also inaccurate and unfair are your representations regarding the timeline and information you were given. Although the lease agreement states that the ?premises would only be used for software development?, part-time recording use was also discussed. You were, in fact, originally told this building also contained band rehearsal rooms and you could easily have inquired into possible noise matters if this was a concern of yours before signing the lease, as well as before signing the addendum two weeks later for the delayed starting date. In addition, last Sunday, February 21, you were told by a long-time tenant of the building that almost all the rehearsals are on Wednesday nights, with only sporadic practice on other evenings. Certainly the vast majority of time during the week was available for your intended use. In fact you commented to two independent witnesses last Sunday, after being informed of typical rehearsal schedules, that ?you could easily work around that? and ?would be moving in this week.?

Given this scenario, we honestly have no idea what the true reason is that you wish to break your one-year lease. But whatever the reason, we see absolutely no justification for your slanderous attacks and threats against our company. Your decision to broadcast an unfortunate personal business dispute across the Internet is improper, inappropriate, and unethical, and I hope your supporters can now see that our current differences are much less one-sided than as represented in your Feb 22 letter. ?Shame on Nady? has been the general response we?ve received from your camp since you went public with this, but I daresay that shame has been misdirected.

We fully understand that when attorneys enter the picture things tend to take on a different tone. Both John and I would have been happy to speak with you directly as we do with other tenants, but once we received your inflammatory letter of Feb 7 and your follow-up e-mail, this no longer seemed a reasonable option. I hope you see that now in retrospect.

Clearly the situation we now find ourselves in is unfortunate. Your space has been off the market for almost 2 months based on your commitment to lease it, resulting in lost leasing opportunities. The situation is by no means as clear-cut and one-sided as described in your Feb 22 web-posting of condemnation (inexplicably made the day after you said you?d be moving in this week after all). Like you, we are also part of the pro audio community and greatly value this community. Sniping at us as you have by way of the Internet is a low blow and a disappointing response to say the least. Although things have now escalated, we propose trying to work things out as fairly and amicably as possible. If you?d like to meet with John and me, please let me know by return email and we can try to set up a meeting in the next few days. I?m still hopeful we can resolve our differences without further escalation. If not, we have no choice but to rely on the legal system to help resolve this dispute.

I look forward to hearing from you.

Toby
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Post by LazarusLong » Fri Feb 26, 2010 2:12 pm

you win.
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Post by casey campbell » Fri Feb 26, 2010 2:35 pm

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