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honkyjonk · Post by **honkyjonk** » Sun Dec 18, 2005 1:43 pm

I've researched a bit, but can't find any info on the Leslie 452 cabinet.

My local guitar store has one:
Here's a pic of it: http://www.moremusic.com/amps.html

Does anybody know anything about this model leslie?

Maybe they have it mis-labled? Anyway, my girlfriend's dad has been jonesin for a leslie for a long time for his hammond, so maybe this would fit the bill.

Dave-H · Post by **Dave-H** » Sun Dec 18, 2005 3:01 pm

I think it might be miss labeled.Most of the leslie's are in the 100series I think.

hogfish · Post by **hogfish** » Sun Dec 18, 2005 3:55 pm

The cabinet looks like a 145,but the 251,122,147 all look the same if you look at the cabinet.The components on the inside make all the difference,some have single speed motors,different crossover networks,additional side speakers, reverb,power amps etc. What type of Hammond are you trying to Leslify?

b3groover · Post by **b3groover** » Sun Dec 18, 2005 5:17 pm

It's probably a 145.

honkyjonk · Post by **honkyjonk** » Sun Dec 18, 2005 6:27 pm

heh,

well, see, he has one of those moderd Hammond keyboard thingies. XK-2? I think it has an 11 pin connector.

BUT, I live right next door and I have an M3, so I am kind of wanting him to buy it so maybe I can, u-hum, borrow it. The M3 has an 8 pin connector.

the thing is though, $400 is such a good price (isn't it?) that making or buying an adaptor for that XK-2 shouldn't be a big issue. What should we look for in terms of guts?

The Real MC · Post by **The Real MC** » Sun Dec 18, 2005 7:04 pm

It might be a 142.

Biggest change for 11-pin socket is the 120VAC is no longer carried in the cable. You'll have to modify an older Leslie by retrofitting a 120VAC source and installing control relays to switch AC power, as two lines in the 11-pin system are for power control to the AC relays. Not that trivial.

Milkmansound · Post by **Milkmansound** » Sun Dec 18, 2005 8:41 pm

$400 for what that is is not amazing - there is no upper rotor most likely. Also, it might be a passive cab (no internal amp)

you'll really want to know more about it before purchase.

honkyjonk · Post by **honkyjonk** » Sun Dec 18, 2005 10:19 pm

You guys are awesome. Thanks for all the info. It sure pays to ask a few questions on the old TOMB before jumping head first into anything.

sonic dogg · Post by **sonic dogg** » Sun Dec 18, 2005 11:32 pm

That number sounds like it might be a passive cab as was said. Very similar to a 120. If this is the case, then your amp and controls in your M3 should drive it. Be aware that Leslie were made for a bunch of different organ manufacturers and were configured for the peculiararities in each unit. In short, there was no standarization. good luck. BTW I have an M3 also....1960....sounds great...

b3groover · Post by **b3groover** » Mon Dec 19, 2005 8:00 am

It probably does have an upper horn due to it having upper louvres. Best thing to do is go and look at it. The model is right on a label on the back and you'll be able to see if it has an upper horn.

If it is a 145, it will have a six pin Leslie connection. If you want to use it with an XK2 (which would be a good match) you'll have to get a 1122 kit. If you want to hook it up to an M3, you'll need a 6147 kit.

honkyjonk · Post by **honkyjonk** » Mon Dec 19, 2005 8:28 am

If it is a 145, is that a good deal?

b3groover · Post by **b3groover** » Mon Dec 19, 2005 8:40 am

It's a fair price. Pretty good for a 145. If it doesn't have the upper horn, then I wouldn't pay $400 for it.

joel hamilton · Post by **joel hamilton** » Wed Dec 21, 2005 9:06 am

b3groover wrote:It probably does have an upper horn due to it having upper louvres. Best thing to do is go and look at it. The model is right on a label on the back and you'll be able to see if it has an upper horn.

If it is a 145, it will have a six pin Leslie connection. If you want to use it with an XK2 (which would be a good match) you'll have to get a 1122 kit. If you want to hook it up to an M3, you'll need a 6147 kit.

I had a couple of leslie's that had no upper horn, and had upper louvers [sp?].

brandonpost · Post by **brandonpost** » Wed Dec 21, 2005 2:53 pm

That does not look like a Model 145. I believe it is a Model 45.

That would make it a one speed Leslie (i.e. off OR tremelo modes, no chorale). The 45 was available with and without an amp built in so you'll have to check that out. Sounds like this one might NOT have the amp based on the link you provided. (http://www.captain-foldback.com/Leslie_ ... s/45_2.jpg)

You can easily add a two speed conversion kit (to give you chorale & tremelo) - (http://goffprof.com/shopping.jsp?p=109) and pretty much be in business.

I modified one of these and brought it on the road. Less bulky than a 145 or 122 and 90% of the sound.

hogfish · Post by **hogfish** » Wed Dec 21, 2005 4:03 pm

Without looking at the other side of the cabinet and seeing whats inside,how do you know its not a 145? From that view, what distinguishes it from a 145?...

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