Vista question

[timmymacdd]

VIsta is not your problem with BFD!

INTERNAL EXTRA hard drive is better than external as a general rule,

AND THE BFD file is considered a program as with vista.....they should all be on ONE drive. WHILE your audio should be recording to its own drive.....and internal drives run better hence less clicking.


ALSO I WOULD highly think that it could possibly be a crappy audio card or a crappy asio driver......YOU ARE USING ASIO DRIVERS?

Your audio card and CPU getting bogged down is what causes pops and clicks,,,,,,and cakewalk will than cause a crash when you hear a lot of those.

an 800 MB sample is way too fucking big for a normal at home computer. THAT IS why you see that they have smaller samples or give you the option of loading a less intensive sample file instead of the monster 800 gig one,


READ THE MANUAL ON THAT STUFF before you waste all of your time installing XP and vista together.......IT JUST IS NOT WORTH THE TIME>

By the way.....sonar is great for the price.....but if you switch to cubase/nuendo......you will be much much much happier......cubase actually works on pc's out of the box.

Not stolen versions of sx.....but sometimes when you buy a good soundcard they will give you light versions of audio programs that will work better than sonar.


If you are using a stolen version of cakewalk.....then you are a fool....JK

IT is shitty running software in general.

OKAY sorry you got me all worked up over my morning coffee......I should be sleeping.

[timmymacdd]

ONE MORE THING DEALING WITH BIG SAMPLE FILES AND VISTA.


Since most people (IMO) that use vista and make music nowadays are usually dumb.....they might not know how to actually use vista and their probably pirated version of an application and hence don't read the fucking manual......


BUT when using giant 800 MB samples you almost have to use the FREEZE edit buttons that come with every software recording program out there. Hence the reason why it comes with a freeze edit button nowadays.

RTFM......means alot.


It is never Vista that is causing you any trouble especially if you have 3 gigs of ram.......


TO ME- using the freeze edits is as stupid as booting xp but it works.....It is even faster than rebooting. We didn't used to have 800 MB samples in the old days.

I would be proven wrong though if you actually load XP and it works better with BFD in XP........I bet it won't. I have tried a year ago when my audio card was not supported by vista...........It sucked having to shut the computer down and restart just in order to record a song.

[mikehattem]

VIsta is not your problem with BFD!

INTERNAL EXTRA hard drive is better than external as a general rule,

AND THE BFD file is considered a program as with vista.....they should all be on ONE drive. WHILE your audio should be recording to its own drive.....and internal drives run better hence less clicking.


ALSO I WOULD highly think that it could possibly be a crappy audio card or a crappy asio driver......YOU ARE USING ASIO DRIVERS?

Your audio card and CPU getting bogged down is what causes pops and clicks,,,,,,and cakewalk will than cause a crash when you hear a lot of those.

an 800 MB sample is way too fucking big for a normal at home computer. THAT IS why you see that they have smaller samples or give you the option of loading a less intensive sample file instead of the monster 800 gig one,


READ THE MANUAL ON THAT STUFF before you waste all of your time installing XP and vista together.......IT JUST IS NOT WORTH THE TIME>

By the way.....sonar is great for the price.....but if you switch to cubase/nuendo......you will be much much much happier......cubase actually works on pc's out of the box.

Not stolen versions of sx.....but sometimes when you buy a good soundcard they will give you light versions of audio programs that will work better than sonar.


If you are using a stolen version of cakewalk.....then you are a fool....JK

IT is shitty running software in general.

OKAY sorry you got me all worked up over my morning coffee......I should be sleeping.

A bit too much coffee, it seems. All my software right down to Vista is legit so that's not an issue. I have been using Sonar since Sonar4 and then upgraded to Sonar6 so I'm not about to change as I'm very happy with it. For the record, I am not in desperate need of the switch because I am not experiencing clicks, pops, or dropouts as a problem. And of course I use ASIO drivers.

I have an external HD that my audio is recorded on... what I am wondering is if it would be of benefit to me to have the BFD samples on a separate HD. What I was considering was installing XP on a separate HD and not just for BFD but for the overall benefit of my all my recording software (Sonar, etc...)


timmy: I don't understand your attitude or your regarding "most people as dumb." I have been a member here for almost three years despite my low post count (because I mostly glean information from the incredibly knowledgeable members of TOMB) and have never been given such an attitude of condescension (not to mention, suspicion) for asking a simple question, especially from someone with 21 posts.

[timmymacdd]

SOrry----I wasn't meaning anyone on here as dumb......or you in particular.


I just see these questions come up in lots of forums I read.


TOO much coffee like I said.....I am grumpy in the morning....and talk way too much.....

Sorry if I sounded condesending I was writing that for the other people that will come here and read what to do....and the most psectacular answer really is....READ THE FUCKING MANUAL. or manuals......

Also I have had problems with cakewalk in general and I switched to cubase since it seems to work way better for several reasons....one being that it is easier to set things up and hot keys are easier and more people friendly plus I like the setup better..........

THe other reason is that it runs smoother on pc.....

AS far as hard drives go though......since I use older stuff......external hard drives work a lot slower than internal hence making the computer and RAM work slower than they normally would.

You might have a firewire external drive and that might be ok to transfer recording data to live.

But I have always found cakewalk to run several vst instruments with a lot less precision than I do when using cubase. BUt I understand that might not be of much use to you if you are as broke as I usually am.

I have tried the dual boot and my small brain cannot handle having to do so many different connections to get things to work......probably why I can't fit in with sonar too.....because I hate pushing so many buttons......


BUT BACK TO THE ISSUE----I might not be the one to answer this .......

BUT your BFD should be held on the same internal drive in which your vista is on.......as a general rule.....your vista is on your C: drive.....I think and that is where your BFD program and samples should be.

Your computer will be able to wrok faster (I think) if it were pulling the samples to and from internal drives....however lately it seems that external drives are becoming quite quick.......

The reason I usually suggest fast internal drives over using external ones is the speed per cost issue. I am jewish with money.

It takes a lot of ram and motherboard power to move large files to and from an external drive SO that can create trouble.

Also If you look on the forums over at sonar they should be able to help you really good with how to get things setup so that they work great.

SONAR is very well respected and they have great support. not that I work there but they are professional and on top of things.

Besides reading a manual I always tell people to read the forums on the messageboards for their specific problems because thats where all of the freaks that use whatever software are asking and answering thesse type of problems.

Google searches for it are also pretty good.

But sorry if I was offensive. I shouldn't even be talking I guess. but I see these questions asked all of the time in forums like these...and you can find specific answers in the software that you are usings forums........

[mikehattem]

I'm sorry for snapping back at you timmy.

Like you said, back to the issues...

I have the BFD program on the C drive but it is recommended in the manual to put the samples themselves on their own HD instead of having them coming from the same drive that the OS is on. I was thinking of getting another internal HD and installing XP on that one. I don't record daily because I have a family and I work and go to school full time. I tend to record in spurts over the winter, spring, and summer breaks and spend the rest of my free time writing and doing acoustic demos. So the reboot issue just to record wouldn't be a big deal to me.

Also, I realize it was a very common question which is why I apologized in advance. I did a search before posting and for some reason nothing specific came up. The BFD question was a sideline to the main issue of Vista. I also posted that before my new PC arrived with Vista pre-installed and I wanted to know if I should format and install XP with the serial key from my previous PC before I spent hours setting up my software etc...

I'm wondering if it wouldn't just be better to get another internal HD... I can get a 1TB Seagate 7200rpm SATA drive for about $150 on sale and the transfer rate would be much faster than a USB drive. Sadly, I didn't have a firewire card installed and regret that now as I'd like to get a new interface and all the better ones seem to be Firewire.

I am a member at Cakewalk and it is thanks to them that I was ever able to run Sonar on my old PC which was (don't laugh) 1.33ghz 512mb RAM. I got surprising performance from such a lame machine mostly due to endless hours spent tweaking XP.

I should say thanks to you for taking the time to respond in the first place. Thanks.

[timmymacdd]

hey cool.....


THat is the situation I was thinking....you are very similiar to what I got to work with.......


YES 150 fro the internal is the way to go.


ANd yes if you only use xp to record once in a while that is really no big deal to have 2 systems,


ME personally I am addicted to myspace........so I can't run one for just my recording because I start tweaking out if I can't check my myspace or email......which truly you can do....but I like all of the bells and whistles of vista......pretty lame.


ANyways.......2 sata drives ESPECIALLY if they are a 7200RPM is the GREATEST you could have. Well unless some reocrding wizard is in here with some amazing studio machine.....


AND you said it.....IF The manual says to install them on another drive than do that.....


HOW I KEEP IT ON MINE because I have your same new system.....2 great internals, 3 gigs and one usb external....IS I partition one drive with vista and all of my actual programs on it.........on the other partition I have my GIANT sample libraries........

ON MY OTHER INTERNAL I post my recordings to.......plus other CRAp....like mp3's mixdowns, videos, porn collection.....anything I am happy to be rid of once every three months or so.


AND MY EXTERNAL holds everything else.....like good mixdowns, good projects that I don't want to lose....family photos.....etc.



WIth me there is nothing that doesn't work with vista,,,,,,

THERE ARE A FEW THINGS LIKE RECYCLE that require me to patch them everytime I start up recycle......so once every three weeks I have to patch to run recycle. BUT THAT IS NOTHING>

ANYWAYS I get so pissed because people rip on vista and it is my favorite system so far........BY FAR I HAVE LOTS OF EXAMPLES TOO>!

Plus I am coming here from another forum where I was really getting pissed at a couple of people asking the stupidist questions in the universe.........like...... how do you get vst's to work in cakewalk and such......I mean the easiest questions to answer if you have a manual and spent three minutes reading it.......anyways.


HEY one thing I can tell you about your sonar......Two of my alltime best mixes came from sonar.......IT is strange to me becacause their instruments and samples sound like shit when you play them on a midi keyboard_BUT what I have figured out though is that when you mix them into a song....THEY COME ALIVE......and actually much better than if they were "pre-produced" sounds that sound great right out of the box.......but not so good in a mix..............honestly if I could stand, or understand the look of cakewalk I would love it.


ANd I know how you feel about the family and the whole work thing.....I have to get up at 5 in the morning in order to have coffee and cigarettes before I start working at 7:30 am watching the kids and stuff...and working today.......SO I answer with the first thing that comes to my brain........hehe......5 in the morning is the only time I have to myself......so I get up then,,,,,,,


ANyways.........good luck with everything...let us know how it works out....and yes at minimum put xp on one and vista on the other.....

PARTITION both drives in 2.

It is easiest to put xp in your computer first......on one hard drive and then put the vista frive that comes with your computer in ....and google the shit out of what to do if it doesn't quite work....


AND REMEMBER that for a week you will be putting all of that together and figuring out how to get everything to work.......NO MATTER WHAT!!!!!

I am almost a computer wizard and it takes me that long too but I expect it.


AND once it works you are way ahead of any MAC user....NO offense to any mac users.....LOL


JK

[mikehattem]

I'm the same way... I wish I had just formatted it when it came and installed XP so I wouldn't have know what I was missing in Vista for non-recording stuff. I like Vista and I thought I wouldn't and even though its only been a couple of weeks it seems really stable to me and I've had absolutely no compatibility problems with any software so that's a bonus.

I think I may just work it out with Vista for the time being. And keep the XP on the 2nd internal option open. I've had such bad luck with externals dying on me - that's why I'd feel much safer with all my stuff on an internal. My old external died on me 2 days before the new PC got here and I could've backed it up... kids pictures (wife not happy), more than 1/2 my current record and 60 gigs of my music collection. Two more days and I would've been golden!!!

[jmiller]

Just to clarify, you don't need a 2nd internal drive for XP. You can partition your main internal "OS" drive, and install XP on the new partition. No need to buy another drive. The previous link I posted can show you how. Your XP and Vista partitions will show up in your computer as if they are two separate drives, though physically they are not. It's not hard. I've got it going on my system and it works fine.

[kweis7]

The reason many folks bash Vista is that it ends up being a reason for companies and individuals to have to pony up dollars for software and better hardware to run the greedy software without any truly compelling reason to do so. It's like having to spend $100 for the latest version of a Calculus I book... stupid. XP is a pretty stable OS (no where near as stable as linux/unix but neither is Vista...) and if you've had to reinstall often you're really an exception. Why are so many major companies not upgrading to Vista if it is more stable or significantly better somehow... it's just not and Vista is not being adopted by many organizations. Microsoft has been spending lotsa $ to try to change Vistas image but while it may be a viable OS in a vacuum, in the real world for most people, especially if your upgrading hardware for a DAW, it is not worth it, when a $500 no-name PIV with XP can work just fine.

Microsoft is hated in many savvy tech circles because they are monopolistic, closed source and greedy as hell. Besides, for a lot of applications beyond DAW's, Linux is at least as good (quite often better) and FREE. Use your noggin (for web-techy stuff) and keep your wallet in your pocket. Apache, mySQL, Postgres, PHP, PERL etc. - all non-DAW techy stuff but open source, free software that makes the majority of the web work

Microsoft wants to OWN the desktop environment (and they do presently, despite more Macs being sold) so you don't have a choice. They are all about building DRM into the OS and hardware and they often seek to undermine Internet neutrality. Their business strategy just ends up being kinda stinky and I don't want to give them another penny if I can help it. I used to work for major University IT departments and I could never grasp these folks paying for Microsoft licenses for servers, databases etc. XP Desktops, OK, but web servers, databases or Vista, no way.

That being said, I am running Sonar on XP, quite happily. I'm not ready to jump into a linux DAW (nor would I recommend it to anyone who does not have pretty serious linux chops) as I am pretty sure I'd be teching linux more than recording and that is not the point. If I quite XP I'd probably go Mac for now but that is not cheap. I will give Ubuntu Studio a whirl one of these days though as ideally, a hassle free linux DAW would be sweet. But, especially for a DIY, egalitarian community like TOMB, Microsoft is at least mildly a villian and Vista sux, IMHO.

[mikehattem]

Just to clarify, you don't need a 2nd internal drive for XP. You can partition your main internal "OS" drive, and install XP on the new partition. No need to buy another drive. The previous link I posted can show you how. Your XP and Vista partitions will show up in your computer as if they are two separate drives, though physically they are not. It's not hard. I've got it going on my system and it works fine.

Thanks J. But do I have to format my hard drive all over again to do that or can I partition remaining space on the HD without formatting?? Also, would I have to reinstall all my software to the new partition or could it access it from the original Vista partition??

[jmiller]

Thanks J. But do I have to format my hard drive all over again to do that or can I partition remaining space on the HD without formatting?? Also, would I have to reinstall all my software to the new partition or could it access it from the original Vista partition??

You need only to create a new partition on your existing drive. No need to wipe your whole drive. Just create a partition large enough to hold XP and everything you're going to use on it.

I actually haven't tried running programs from my Vista partition while running in my XP partition. I've no idea if that would work. I installed my software on both partitions with no problem.