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PostPosted: Wed Nov 02, 2005 11:28 am    Post subject: wanted: mastering for thick arrangements Reply with quote

I'm nearing the home stretch on a recording project and helping the band find a mastering engineer. They're open to anyone in the U.S. and are wondering if someone could make a recommendation-

The recording is very dense with a lot of overdubs. Lots of synth and guitar leads doubled and harmonized. Think OK Computer only with guitars slightly more metal and keyboards more in the vein of square wave cheese. I've worked really hard to mix it so that even now, unmastered, the layers of instruments, though there are many, are defined to my liking on many different systems-stereo, headphones, boombox, ear buds etc. and there is consistency from track to track of the volume of the drums, bass, vocals, rhythm and lead guitar etc.--basically what I'm saying is that I don't think these tracks will require major surgery or anything.

That said, however, I know that a lot of mastering engineers consider projects like these to be a lot more stressful and can become frustrated when working on them, while for others these projects are considered their specialty.

The project was recorded in ProTools, and I'm really most concerned with finding a good fit engineer-wise rather than what gear they will use to achieve their results. The band's price range is $1000-$2000, and the album length is 45 minutes, 12 tracks.

Please let me know if any of you out there have had good experiences with mastering engineers working on this kind of material or if you are a mastering engineer who enjoys working on this kind of recording.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 02, 2005 11:38 am    Post subject: Re: wanted: mastering for thick arrangements Reply with quote

If their budget is really $2000, they could probably get Chris Blair at Abbey Road to do it. Seriously. If you want the "OK Computer" thing, THAT GUY is in your price range.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 02, 2005 1:15 pm    Post subject: Re: wanted: mastering for thick arrangements Reply with quote

I think the key will be to talk to potential mastering engineers and tell him or her what you have said here. Emphasize that you're looking for mastering with a 'light touch" to take the project that extra 10% not a wizard to make chicken salad out of chicken shit.

Isn't Jeff Carroll at Blue Field in your area? Go have a one on one talk with him. He's a really cool guy.

Or like Chris said, take a trip to London and go to Abbey Road. Or hit Brian Lucey at Magic Garden in Ohio or Brad Blackwood at Euphonic in Memphis or maybe Doug Mc Bride in Chicago at Gravity.

All the guys I mentioned will listen to what you the client wants and do their best to serve your needs.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 02, 2005 2:19 pm    Post subject: Re: wanted: mastering for thick arrangements Reply with quote

cgarges wrote:
If their budget is really $2000, they could probably get Chris Blair at Abbey Road to do it. Seriously.


Really?!? I could take my recorded-in-a-shower diy mustardpiece and, if I got's the outlay, I can get it mastered at Abbey Road, like any myriad of label recordings?
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 02, 2005 3:37 pm    Post subject: Re: wanted: mastering for thick arrangements Reply with quote

One thing some friends and I were talking about is having a masterer that likes the music can make all the difference..they are more inclined to go the extra mile and do a fantastic job..

I just mastered a tripple album and I loved the music so I really wanted it to be the best it could be..using myself as an example..

find someone who is familiar with and a fan of the style, has the chops and gear, and they will surely be a good match for your tunes..
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 02, 2005 4:22 pm    Post subject: Re: wanted: mastering for thick arrangements Reply with quote

wedge wrote:
cgarges wrote:
If their budget is really $2000, they could probably get Chris Blair at Abbey Road to do it. Seriously.


Really?!? I could take my recorded-in-a-shower diy mustardpiece and, if I got's the outlay, I can get it mastered at Abbey Road, like any myriad of label recordings?

If you pay the rate an M.E. is asking, you can get your answering machine tape mastered by about anyone you want.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 02, 2005 9:03 pm    Post subject: Re: wanted: mastering for thick arrangements Reply with quote

http://www.davecollinsmastering.com/

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 03, 2005 1:51 am    Post subject: Re: wanted: mastering for thick arrangements Reply with quote

MASSIVE Mastering wrote:

If you pay the rate an M.E. is asking, you can get your answering machine tape mastered by about anyone you want.


I guess my point is, is the market now at the point where an ME at one of the most respected studios on the planet, is feasibly affordable by a group of teenagers and an Mbox?
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 03, 2005 3:25 am    Post subject: Re: wanted: mastering for thick arrangements Reply with quote

That all depends on what the budget is. There are an awful lot of (awful) cheap options available... The "good guys" rates haven't really been hurt.

I think if a recording (on an M-Box in a basement) comes out really good (which it can if the engineer knows what he/she's doing), then it deserves mastering worthy of the recording.

Whether that's a kid with a cracked set of Waves plugs, or a mid-level dedicated facility (plug!) or a decked-out wonder-room - That's up to the client's budget and wishes.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 03, 2005 3:59 am    Post subject: Re: wanted: mastering for thick arrangements Reply with quote

what the fuck are you talking about?

if a band has $2k to drop on mastering 45 mins of rock material, they can have abbey road. period. was there ever a time whan mastering cost more than $1000 an hr?
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 03, 2005 4:57 am    Post subject: Re: wanted: mastering for thick arrangements Reply with quote

wedge wrote:
I guess my point is, is the market now at the point where an ME at one of the most respected studios on the planet, is feasibly affordable by a group of teenagers and an Mbox?


Well, they did take their rates up last year, but it's still affordable. Chris is very good and very fast.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 03, 2005 11:28 am    Post subject: Re: wanted: mastering for thick arrangements Reply with quote

Jeff Lipton at Peerless has worked on some very dense records I've recorded - and he always works wonders.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 03, 2005 12:15 pm    Post subject: Re: wanted: mastering for thick arrangements Reply with quote

With that budget you should be able to get most ME to master your project. Listen to your favorite CDs and see who mastered it. Then call them and find out if they can do it and what the delivery requirements are. Easy thing to do.

Also no reason to send it overseas if you do not have to. There are some really great ME in the US.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 03, 2005 1:29 pm    Post subject: Re: wanted: mastering for thick arrangements Reply with quote

audiogeek1 wrote:
Also no reason to send it overseas if you do not have to. There are some really great ME in the US.


Being a big Beatles fan, Abbey Road is almost like a shrine to me... Just the idea that my music could waft its way through it's rafters on one fine afternoon makes my skin twitch. Irrational, yes, since I'm sure you're right that there's no need to cross the pond to get excellent results...

Given that, I'm located in Washington DC. Any references for quality MEs around here would be brilliant, as we're ready to master our disk...
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 03, 2005 10:57 pm    Post subject: Re: wanted: mastering for thick arrangements Reply with quote

MASSIVE Mastering wrote:
you pay the rate an M.E. is asking, you can get your answering machine tape mastered by about anyone you want.


Brings to mind that Westerberg tune on Let It Be (OK, they are all Westerberg tunes! besides the Kiss cover); that was probably a trip!
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