Vintage DAW users?
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Vintage DAW users?
Hi. I have just obtained a Digidesign Session 8 (the ancestor of the Digi 001, from the mid 90s). I'm currently scrounging for parts to get it running ( my computer is way too modern to handle this) but I was wondering if anyone out there using this or any similarly obsolete DAW setup: I've seen some references to Ensoniq PARIS, although I think even that is a bit more technologically advanced.
I understand of course I could save myself tons of hassle just getting a Firebox or something instead, but that doesnt fit with my old junk fetish or my "bad digital" studio vibe.
Anyways, comments, flashback, cursing digidesign welcomed.
I understand of course I could save myself tons of hassle just getting a Firebox or something instead, but that doesnt fit with my old junk fetish or my "bad digital" studio vibe.
Anyways, comments, flashback, cursing digidesign welcomed.
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Middle-aged technology? "Vintage" DAWs? God almighty, am I that old? I used a Sonic Solutions DAW (several, actually) from 1993-2001, converting to ProTools in mid-2001...I still miss the editing interface and the fade window on Sonic...and it sounded pretty good too.
I might have stayed with Sonic if they'd stayed with DAWs...they kinda went off into DVD-authoring land...or if or if I'd gone into mastering (and heaven help us all if that ever happened). My last Sonic system is in boxes in storage right now, sometimes I think about firing it up...
I might have stayed with Sonic if they'd stayed with DAWs...they kinda went off into DVD-authoring land...or if or if I'd gone into mastering (and heaven help us all if that ever happened). My last Sonic system is in boxes in storage right now, sometimes I think about firing it up...
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Sorry to say it that way; I am assuming that "vintage" is anything from before 1985 nowadays, and middle-aged describes things well that are obsolete without yet being vintage -dwlb wrote:Middle-aged technology? "Vintage" DAWs?
I heard a Boston song on the "oldies" station yesterday -
I hope I live to be at least 103, although if I do, I'll be REALLY sick of Boston songs by the time I finally expire -
i have a session8 card.. its nubus..
thats about all there is to that. i've heard you can put in a old old digi DSP card in there to get some plug ins.. and of coarse you'll need an old scsi HD.
anyone wany my session 8 card? hmm. or did i throw it away? i don't think i did. and am to lazy to look. its freakin' nubus!!
i think there is a difference between old and useless. you still need an 882 to use it.. haha.. crazy computers.
panda
[btw, i think a nubus, 8 track, no DSP digicard = useless]
thats about all there is to that. i've heard you can put in a old old digi DSP card in there to get some plug ins.. and of coarse you'll need an old scsi HD.
anyone wany my session 8 card? hmm. or did i throw it away? i don't think i did. and am to lazy to look. its freakin' nubus!!
i think there is a difference between old and useless. you still need an 882 to use it.. haha.. crazy computers.
panda
[btw, i think a nubus, 8 track, no DSP digicard = useless]
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Session 8 huh? You just got me thinking about my first job in a studio running Sound Designer II with I think was either a Centra or a Quadra. Man - I am so glad those days are behind me! - the thing took forever to process - and took just as long to do an undo - as the processing was completely destructive. In fact the reason I was hired was they needed someone at night to wait for the thing to finish doing a process like normalizing so you could start the next edit job and press the button to go process while you went out on a lunch break. You could only preview a process (which all sounded pretty darn bad) a little bit at a time - and all crossfades had to fit in to be previewed RAM - which was pretty tiny in those days.
I went from SDII to the original version of SAW - which was the first PC native DAW to be able to do multitrack editing and playback - using a DAL Card D+ w/Digi I/O on a 386-40 running Windows 3.1. It was a fun step up from Sound Designer as you could actually have 4 stereo tracks going at once - but man - I'm seriously glad all the progress it has made since then.
Anyway - as far as Session 8 - if it requires either a substantial amount of time or any money whatsoever to get it going - don't do it. The math on that thing had some serious flaws and even under $100 apps and soundcards will get you a lot more capabilities, and a lot less hassles - not to mention you will be able to do the same amount of work in heckuva less time. "Vintage" or no - there is really almost nothing to like with non-current DAW apps if you actually want to use it for real work.
Also to dwlb - as far as Sonic - they are still in the DAW biz. Sonic Solutions became 2 different companies - Sonic who are the DVD authoring guys - and Sonic Studio - who are continuing to churn out apps aimed at mastering studios - http://www.sonicstudio.com
They kind have been left in the dust in terms of development by their competitors for the last few years though - but seems they have some interesting stuff in the works I hope sees the light of day.
anyway -
At my old workplace there was a Sonic Solution "Classic" USP system that I pretty much left off as my current SAWStudio workstations run circles around it.
Best regards,
Steve Berson
I went from SDII to the original version of SAW - which was the first PC native DAW to be able to do multitrack editing and playback - using a DAL Card D+ w/Digi I/O on a 386-40 running Windows 3.1. It was a fun step up from Sound Designer as you could actually have 4 stereo tracks going at once - but man - I'm seriously glad all the progress it has made since then.
Anyway - as far as Session 8 - if it requires either a substantial amount of time or any money whatsoever to get it going - don't do it. The math on that thing had some serious flaws and even under $100 apps and soundcards will get you a lot more capabilities, and a lot less hassles - not to mention you will be able to do the same amount of work in heckuva less time. "Vintage" or no - there is really almost nothing to like with non-current DAW apps if you actually want to use it for real work.
Also to dwlb - as far as Sonic - they are still in the DAW biz. Sonic Solutions became 2 different companies - Sonic who are the DVD authoring guys - and Sonic Studio - who are continuing to churn out apps aimed at mastering studios - http://www.sonicstudio.com
They kind have been left in the dust in terms of development by their competitors for the last few years though - but seems they have some interesting stuff in the works I hope sees the light of day.
anyway -
At my old workplace there was a Sonic Solution "Classic" USP system that I pretty much left off as my current SAWStudio workstations run circles around it.
Best regards,
Steve Berson
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Oh, I know, Steve, that's why I said I'd have stuck with 'em had I gone into mastering--the state of their DAWs in 2001 was not at all aimed at production-studio stuff...or rather, they were still attempting to serve two masters (!) and as far as production studios their aim was off.Cellotron wrote:Also to dwlb - as far as Sonic - they are still in the DAW biz. Sonic Solutions became 2 different companies - Sonic who are the DVD authoring guys - and Sonic Studio - who are continuing to churn out apps aimed at mastering studios - http://www.sonicstudio.com
They kind have been left in the dust in terms of development by their competitors for the last few years though - but seems they have some interesting stuff in the works I hope sees the light of day.
Quadra...wow, I remember using Sonic on a Quadra. When last I left that DAW it was on an old Beige G3 running OS 8.6, which was as high as Sonic would support that version of software. I still find myself hitting apple-G to "Zoom to Gates" from time to time when I'm really tired...
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All the DWLB music is at http://dwlb.bandcamp.com/
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Still using my Waveframe 1000 because it is so simple and everything is integrated (effects, sequencing, hd recording, sampling) I haven't found any new daw that lets me pull together a project so quickly.
Unfortunately it will only playback 8 tracks at once from disk and if it ever dies I could be SOL but I sure love that thing. If anyone has some spare parts I'm always on the lookout.
Al
Unfortunately it will only playback 8 tracks at once from disk and if it ever dies I could be SOL but I sure love that thing. If anyone has some spare parts I'm always on the lookout.
Al
I'm not sure what you are looking for...
You have the audio components and you need the (slightly antiquated) computer to install/use them in? If that's the case, just find out what the best computer configuration for that system is and buy a couple of them off Ebay. Used older computers sell for next to nothing.
You have the audio components and you need the (slightly antiquated) computer to install/use them in? If that's the case, just find out what the best computer configuration for that system is and buy a couple of them off Ebay. Used older computers sell for next to nothing.
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I'm still using my gadgetlabs stuff. Not vintage, exactly, but the company went belly up in 2000. Luckily, there's a guy named Mostek who has written XP drivers, so it's still usable, and it's comparable to a lot of the stuff out there today. 8 channels i/o, 96khz, 24 bit. Known for good clocking. Apparently, the new drivers improve on some of the original specs, too.
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I knew some guys around here that really loved that system.seaneldon wrote:we have a PARIS that's a great doorstop.
"Jeweller, you've failed. Jeweller."
"Lots of people are nostalgic for analog. I suspect they're people who never had to work with it." ? Brian Eno
All the DWLB music is at http://dwlb.bandcamp.com/
"Lots of people are nostalgic for analog. I suspect they're people who never had to work with it." ? Brian Eno
All the DWLB music is at http://dwlb.bandcamp.com/
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