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PostPosted: Tue Jan 18, 2011 7:21 pm    Post subject: Advice on monitoring and mains supply? Reply with quote

Hi. This is my first post after a bit of lurking, so I hope this is in the appropriate place.

I recently struck a deal with the owner of my bands practice space to do some recording there. There are a couple of issues that i'd like some advice on.

Firstly, I'm not sure whether to monitor in the room with the band or in the small control room. The control room is approximately 4ft back to front and 7ft wide and about 12ft high, but it does not provide complete isolation from the rehearsal/live space. I'm wondering whether I should monitor in the control room with either my monitors or headphones, or if i should just go ahead and monitor in the live space with headphones. Given the pretty tight dimensions of the control room, i'm also worried about being able to get my monitors set up for the best sound.

The other issue is that the live space is on one mains supply, and i'm worried about hum. Major alterations to the mains supply are out. Can anyone offer any solutions?

Any advice would be hugely appreciated. Thank you.

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 22, 2011 1:22 pm    Post subject: Re: Advice on monitoring and mains supply? Reply with quote

Well, I was kind of waiting for our more electrically and acoustically-graced folks to give it up here, but I'll take a swing (no degree in electrical engineering, journeyman electrician's license, or certificate in acoustical design, so this is all based on experience, and ymmv):

First, a few questions. If the studio isn't really a studio yet, why are you calling the smaller room a "control room?" If you're not sure wheteher you're going to monitor in there, isn't it just "a room?" Please explain a little more in-depth (any chance of photos?) the layout, and how the "control room" is not "completely isolated" (just trying to get a visual). Also, how big is the practice space/"tracking room?" Also, even though you can't do wiring alterations (shouldn't really be a problem), what about other modifications? Can you put-up any walls or dividers? Can you treat the rooms acoustically with panels or acoustic foam?

What you might want to consider, depending on dimensions, layout, and the answers to the above questions, is using office dividers (or gobos that you could build) to create a larger control room area by splitting the band space (maybe a third of it or something?), and use the small room as an isolation booth...

As to monitoring in the band space, it can be done (we've done it in small garage-type spaces, and many folks here work that way), but if you can get a separate control room area with enough isolation to keep the drum bleed out, that would be better.

As to the electrical situation, if you wind-up with ground-loop hum, you'll have to employ some standard techniques (like painstakingly tracing lines, once they're in place) to find the offending units or cables. If trouble-shooting and ground-lifting doesn't take care of it, there are devices like "hum-x" and other wall plugs that eliminate hum, and there are conditioned power supplies and that sort of thing (Furman makes a bunch, and Monster does too, I believe). There are some great resources on this site and others that you can look into when and if you have any problems in that area. I wouldn't worry about crossing the electrical bridge until you get there.

Our studio has three rooms that are almost the same size, so figuring this stuff out was initially a problem. The trick is to not have your monitors too close to the wall, and watch the corners and parallel walls (proper bass trapping and treatment) wherever you decide to mix/monitor/have your control room.

Hope some of that helps,

GJ
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PostPosted: Tue May 03, 2011 10:26 am    Post subject: Re: Advice on monitoring and mains supply? Reply with quote

Gregg Juke wrote:
As to the electrical situation, if you wind-up with ground-loop hum, you'll have to employ some standard techniques


If hum and noise are an ongoing issue it might pay you to hire a licensed master electrician (with experience in A/V, recording, theater and broadcast) go over your building wiring with you. Sometimes it's just a matter of opening the panelboard and re-tightening all the connections and your problems are solved. People like to scoff at those hundred-fifty dollar after-market power cords that the audiophile community has embraced over the past few years, but they tend to be heavily shielded and can filter out allot of the harmonics and "dirt" that comes down the power line. A good bit of that "dirt" is caused by loose and/or slightly corroded connections where ever a wire is connected to another wire or screw terminal. So battening down everything with a screwdriver can save yourself the EXPENSE of those high-dollar filters, power cords, Hum-X boxes, yada yada yada. Just make sure the person who is doing it knows what they are doing.

PAY ATTENTION TO YOUR GROUNDS and which circuits are powering which pieces of gear. Make sure that any equipment that is DC connected to each other is powered by the same phase/leg. Interconnecting gear powered by opposite legs can create all kinds of hum, buzz, and safety problems even if your grounds are correct. "Star" grounding works!

Also, if you need REAL power line protection, get yourself a Surge-X box. One of the 20-amp NEMA enclosure units per circuit and bolt it to the inside of your rack. I have one and it saved my gear from a direct lightning strike several years ago.

When your gear is not in use, shut it off and unplug it from the wall. Trust me on this one.
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