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losthighway george martin

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Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2012 11:26 am Post subject: Your reverb sends, mono or stereo? |
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I'm looking at my patchbay and a decent variety of reverb/multifx units and wondering why I wired some of them as mono. I get the idea of sending a stereo pair of room mics to a stereo reverb, but what about a mono vocal track?
Do you do more of your reverb sends in mono, or stereo?
Why? _________________ Mo' mics mo' problems.
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Nick Sevilla cryogenically thawing

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Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2012 11:47 am Post subject: Re: Your reverb sends, mono or stereo? |
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It depends...
[ducks out of the room] _________________ The Song. Nothing else really matters. |
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vvv on a wing and a prayer

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Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2012 12:43 pm Post subject: Re: Your reverb sends, mono or stereo? |
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I agree.
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cjogo re-cappin' neve
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Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2012 12:44 pm Post subject: Re: Your reverb sends, mono or stereo? |
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All in stereo --and then pan accordingly .. or just change the patch to dual mono . _________________ whatever happened to ~ just push record...... |
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losthighway george martin

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Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2012 1:56 pm Post subject: Re: Your reverb sends, mono or stereo? |
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Of course, we're on the TOMB so:
But let's just say we were going to have some kind of conversation about this. What are some typical situations where you find yourself gravitating towards one or the other, and why. It always depends, but this might be one where you could hazard a few comments about things it usually depends on, or if you're saying you do both a fair amount..... _________________ Mo' mics mo' problems.
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Nick Sevilla cryogenically thawing

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Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2012 2:28 pm Post subject: Re: Your reverb sends, mono or stereo? |
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Then, with THAT in mind:
1.- MONO send to a MONO effect. Then pan the effect return either opposite the original track, automate it like crazy, or pan it the same as the original track.
2.- MONO send to Stereo effect : Same routing options as above, but with stereo to play with.
3.- option 2, but with the stereo return panned hard L/R. this is usually how I pan a reverb, for example.
4.- Stereo send to a MONO effect ... never use this. Mainly because the comb filtering may cause weird, unwanted effects on the sound return.
5.- Stereo send to Stereo effect. Mostly when using a keyboard or other stereo instrument, send to a reverb.
There are other options, use your imagination. _________________ The Song. Nothing else really matters. |
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vvv on a wing and a prayer

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Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2012 2:42 pm Post subject: Re: Your reverb sends, mono or stereo? |
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90% of the time I use a stereo reverb, but since I nowadaze use very little in mixdown, it's typically mebbe only a stereo plate on a vocal or snare, or a spring-type patch onna guitar.
Guitars sometimes get mono spring-types, and sometimes I'll do like a mono "spotlight"-type 'verb on a cowbell, tambo or other percussive, if I want it clear but small. Once in a while a mono slap on a vocal can be cool.
Lemme hasten to add when I was using lotsa drum loops I would use room-'verb stereo patchs often to try and integrate mixes, but now that I'm recording my drum tracks myself I just use the real room, with only a rare stereo plate on the snare on mebbe slow songs or as a obvious (ex. rockabilly or techno, etc.) effect; my approach now is to fit the overdubs to my tracked drums.
I do like delays more. _________________ vlayman; THD; blog; TFP |
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drumsound TOMB Moderator


Joined: 02 Jun 2004 Posts: 5777 Location: Bloomington IL
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Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 3:47 am Post subject: Re: Your reverb sends, mono or stereo? |
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More often than not I'm doing mono send and stereo return. I don't use much reverb, often just a touch for the vocals. _________________ Tony
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cgarges zen recordist
Joined: 16 Jun 2003 Posts: 10623 Location: Charlotte, NC
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Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 3:34 pm Post subject: Re: Your reverb sends, mono or stereo? |
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| drumsound wrote: | | More often than not I'm doing mono send and stereo return. |
Same here. I have all my stereo reverbs stereo ins come up on the patchbay, but I wired mults from all the mono console sends so that I don't have to change the internal programming on the verbs from stereo to mono. This way, the verbs can live in "stereo mode" and behave either way, depending on what's being sent to them.
If I'm doing something where I'm really trying to simulate a realistic ambience with an artificial reverb, I'm more likely to use the reverbs in actual stereo mode (with a stereo send feeding them), but in this case, I'm usually only using one or two reverbs.
Now, I'll change the panning of a stereo reverb return (as opposed to always splitting them hard left and right), depending on the mix, etc., but I'm usually using a mono send and a stereo return. By the way, three of my favorite reverbs of all time are mono in, stereo out units.
Chris Garges
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vvv on a wing and a prayer

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Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 7:47 pm Post subject: Re: Your reverb sends, mono or stereo? |
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| cgarges wrote: | By the way, three of my favorite reverbs of all time are mono in, stereo out units.
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And they are ...? _________________ vlayman; THD; blog; TFP |
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T-rex dead but not forgotten

Joined: 05 Apr 2004 Posts: 2093 Location: Louisville KY
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Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 10:12 pm Post subject: Re: Your reverb sends, mono or stereo? |
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My old board had one stereo send, which I used for a room verb on the reverb unit you recently bought (hope you are diggin it!). I returned it to channels 35 and 36 in stereo. That became my room and as the instruments were panned in the stereo field, they were sent to the verb and came back that way. So it made things sound like they each had their own place in a nice sounding room as opposed to being crammed together or overdubbed in my shitty sounding room.
I like plate like reverbs to be in stereo. I used to use two effectrons as predely and modulation into my stereo spring. Mono out from the board, multed into two effectrons each with slightly different delay times and maybe a hint of modulation into the spring. So even though it was mono in, it was still pseudo stereo in and out.
Most everything else I did was mono in and mono out. |
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cgarges zen recordist
Joined: 16 Jun 2003 Posts: 10623 Location: Charlotte, NC
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vvv on a wing and a prayer

Joined: 13 May 2003 Posts: 5628 Location: Chi
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Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2012 6:14 pm Post subject: Re: Your reverb sends, mono or stereo? |
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I'm just a bedio recordist but have gone nuts in the last year on mic's and pre's and compressors.
I already had some decent instruments and amps and monitors, and I did recently buy a OK keyboard.
So is that my next step to achieving sonic nirvana - outboard reverbs?
I know a plate would be, but I don't think I have the room.
At the moment I use plug-ins, what sound better than the old 12 bit Alesis and DOD 'verbs I have.
Somehow, tho', I suspect that such effects will remain ITB for me ... _________________ vlayman; THD; blog; TFP |
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Black Cross Recordings audio school

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Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2012 11:27 am Post subject: Re: Your reverb sends, mono or stereo? |
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I try to keep all reverbs mono where possible, allows me to place things in the mix easier.
On the odd occasion I may splash some stereo reverb on mono drums to widen them slightly, or even across backing vocals to push them away from the lead vocal.
"So is that my next step to achieving sonic nirvana - outboard reverbs?"
Have you tried the spring reverb tank from an old guitar/keyboard amp method? Using your mixer as a pre/post amp to get the springs shifting? It's a nice step into outboard gear, real good fun too! |
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vvv on a wing and a prayer

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Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2012 1:09 pm Post subject: Re: Your reverb sends, mono or stereo? |
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I haven't but as I posted in the Line2Amp thread, I just built one of those re-amp tings, and I do have amps with springs (nothing seperate) so mebbe ...
I think Paul Westerberg as Grandpaboy claimed he put a whole album thru a Fender Twin that way.
FWIW, I like a stereo tape-delay patch on lead guitar sometimes, makes it bigger. I was mixing a guy's song yesterday and I submixed a near and room amp track thru such a delay on the room track only with the both guitar tracks panned about 3:00. The guitar goes thru the whole song and so when he took a solo I panned the sub-mixed stereo track left to about 11:00 and it made for a kinda cool and different sound. _________________ vlayman; THD; blog; TFP |
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