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permanent hearing damage suffering 'studio suck'
Joined: 09 Oct 2003 Posts: 416 Location: philly
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Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 11:51 am Post subject: making a record with only one model of mic |
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not that i have enough of them to do this using close micing, but i just put up one of my 4033s on vocals and was pleasantly surprised the other day. it got me thinking what mic i could get away with putting on literally every instrument. my vote would be 4033s or sm98s. i only have 3 of each, so actualizing this is a long ways off for me, sadly.
so that's a question i pose to you all - if you had only one model of mic (imagining you had enough of them) to use on a whole record, what would you use? |
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E.Bennett re-cappin' neve
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Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 1:05 pm Post subject: Re: making a record with only one model of mic |
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I think I could do an entire record with an electro-voice re55. Distorted guitars would take a bit of tinkering, but otherwise it would not require much compromise. _________________ www.thehuntstudio.com |
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tomhampton gettin' sounds
Joined: 01 Dec 2003 Posts: 120 Location: philadelphia, pa
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Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 2:34 pm Post subject: Re: making a record with only one model of mic |
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based on the kind of record i'd be making, i'd say a Coles 4038. probably my favorite mic in the whole world. first thing i'd buy if i hit the Lotto.  _________________ http://www.tomhampton.com
guitar, lap and pedal steel, mandolin, dobro, banjo, other various oddities and harmony slut |
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vvv on a wing and a prayer

Joined: 13 May 2003 Posts: 5706 Location: Chi
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Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 8:40 pm Post subject: Re: making a record with only one model of mic |
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Aminds me of when that guy did the song with all SM57's?
What was his name? Kelly?
Used to hang here and VSPlanet ... _________________ vlayman; THD; blog; TFP |
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doug deeper alignin' 24-trk
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Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 10:25 pm Post subject: Re: making a record with only one model of mic |
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drumsound on a wing and a prayer

Joined: 02 Jun 2004 Posts: 5802 Location: Bloomington IL
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Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 10:28 pm Post subject: Re: making a record with only one model of mic |
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I've always wanted to make a record only with Beyer M88s. I wonder if they'd loan me another 12-15 of them to do so. _________________ Tony
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jgimbel carpal tunnel

Joined: 08 Jan 2009 Posts: 1546 Location: Philadelphia, PA
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Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 11:53 pm Post subject: Re: making a record with only one model of mic |
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| tomhampton wrote: | based on the kind of record i'd be making, i'd say a Coles 4038. probably my favorite mic in the whole world. first thing i'd buy if i hit the Lotto.  |
Hey Tom, didn't realize you were on Tape Op!
I'd be pretty happy making a record with just KM84s, as long as it was something that didn't need huge low end (most of my personal work, for example). I don't own a 4038 but I can't imagine being unhappy there either. +1 on the 635a too, I've been using mine a lot in various spots in my past few sessions, it's always a lot nicer than I expect it to be. _________________ Currently looking for mixing/mastering work - http://jessegimbel.com/studio
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tomhampton gettin' sounds
Joined: 01 Dec 2003 Posts: 120 Location: philadelphia, pa
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Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 11:50 am Post subject: Re: making a record with only one model of mic |
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hey, JG - yeah, i'm a little spotty in my participation, sadly...avid reader, but often i'm a simplex circuit around here.  _________________ http://www.tomhampton.com
guitar, lap and pedal steel, mandolin, dobro, banjo, other various oddities and harmony slut |
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ricey alignin' 24-trk
Joined: 20 May 2006 Posts: 71 Location: Sao Paulo/NYC
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Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 12:17 pm Post subject: Re: making a record with only one model of mic |
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what was the staple mic at Motown Studio, KM86?
if i were still recording to tape, i would want a condenser - but to digital i want
a ribbon mic. |
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tonewoods buyin' a studio

Joined: 17 Apr 2004 Posts: 815 Location: Orcas Island, WA
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Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 12:29 pm Post subject: Re: making a record with only one model of mic |
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| permanent hearing damage wrote: |
so that's a question i pose to you all - if you had only one model of mic (imagining you had enough of them) to use on a whole record, what would you use? |
I could do a lot of damage with a dozen RCA BK11s.... _________________ "You see, the whole thing about recording is the attempt at verisimilitude--not truth, but the appearance of truth."
Jerry Wexler |
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Nick Sevilla cryogenically thawing

Joined: 03 Mar 2008 Posts: 3670 Location: Los Angeles California USA
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Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 12:30 pm Post subject: Re: making a record with only one model of mic |
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I'd use a Telefunken U47.
If I had to use only one mic on everything.
Then I would also only use one kind or line amplifier, and use plgu ins to change the sounds.
In fact, I'm working on a song now... so I'll try this.
Cheers _________________ The Song. Nothing else really matters. |
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RoyMatthews re-cappin' neve
Joined: 30 Dec 2005 Posts: 620 Location: Sunnyside Queens, NY
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Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 1:07 pm Post subject: Re: making a record with only one model of mic |
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It's interesting, though not unexpected, how a lot of the choices are fairly 'colored' mics.
I mean, I'd love to hear an all 4038 record. But I'd also be curious what a song recorded all with a high end omni would sound. Like a DPA or Earthworks. _________________ "If there's one ironclad rule of pop history, it's this: The monkey types Hamlet only once." |
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GooberNumber9 tinnitus
Joined: 20 Oct 2006 Posts: 1031 Location: Washington, DC
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Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 1:17 pm Post subject: Re: making a record with only one model of mic |
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Not that this is exactly what you're asking, but I'm almost done with an EP that has a Shure KSM44 on every track except the bass, which was all DI'ed.
I'm not sure if that's the mic I would choose, but I would definitely want a multi-pattern LDC. Changing the pattern changes the sound (by changing the proximity effect, among other things), so it's like having more than one mic in just one mic.
Along with placement and different mic pre settings and so on, you could get a lot of great sounds with just one mic (and even just one pre).
Roy: One of the problems that I have with omnis is that they pick up so much ambient noise and sound. If you have a great sounding studio with no air handler noise, cars, dogs, whatever going on, you could layer up several omnis and be fine. Even in what I consider a quiet room, trying to bring up just four tracks of my Earthworks tends to put a lot of "air" in the mix. |
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RoyMatthews re-cappin' neve
Joined: 30 Dec 2005 Posts: 620 Location: Sunnyside Queens, NY
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Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 1:23 pm Post subject: Re: making a record with only one model of mic |
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| GooberNumber9 wrote: | Not that this is exactly what you're asking, but I'm almost done with an EP that has a Shure KSM44 on every track except the bass, which was all DI'ed.
I'm not sure if that's the mic I would choose, but I would definitely want a multi-pattern LDC. Changing the pattern changes the sound (by changing the proximity effect, among other things), so it's like having more than one mic in just one mic.
Along with placement and different mic pre settings and so on, you could get a lot of great sounds with just one mic (and even just one pre).
Roy: One of the problems that I have with omnis is that they pick up so much ambient noise and sound. If you have a great sounding studio with no air handler noise, cars, dogs, whatever going on, you could layer up several omnis and be fine. Even in what I consider a quiet room, trying to bring up just four tracks of my Earthworks tends to put a lot of "air" in the mix. |
It's smart to pick a mic with multiple patterns but it feels like cheating somehow.
You're right about ambience and all that. The Earthworks are notoriously noisy. In my head I was picturing a loud rock or noise band. As long as the mic can handle the spls you could get close to minimize bleed and outside noise. Personally having all that extra 'ambience' could be cool. It's be an interesting exercise at least. _________________ "If there's one ironclad rule of pop history, it's this: The monkey types Hamlet only once." |
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GooberNumber9 tinnitus
Joined: 20 Oct 2006 Posts: 1031 Location: Washington, DC
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Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 1:42 pm Post subject: Re: making a record with only one model of mic |
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| RoyMatthews wrote: | It's smart to pick a mic with multiple patterns but it feels like cheating somehow. :)
You're right about ambience and all that. The Earthworks are notoriously noisy. In my head I was picturing a loud rock or noise band. As long as the mic can handle the spls you could get close to minimize bleed and outside noise. Personally having all that extra 'ambience' could be cool. It's be an interesting exercise at least. | Well if I can't cheat then I don't wanna play!! (table flip)
No, really, I can't think of what mic I would use for an entire recording if it can't be multi-pattern. Maybe a KSM32 or an AT4033. I'd still try to change the "pattern" using gobos and placement and all kinds of stuff.
About omnis - my Earthworks doesn't really care if you put it next to a snare or loud guitar amp, it's still an omni. At that level you won't hear the "air" noise as much or at all, but you will hear the room a lot more. Again, if you have an awesome room, probably no problem. Still, with a lot of loud guitar sounds layered up, having a lot of room on each of those tracks can add up to a bit of a mess. Just switching from figure-8 to cardiod on a very loud guitar amp for one of my recent recordings made a big difference in the room sound the mic (the 44 in this case, obviously) was getting.
What I would do to get a whole track with one omni would be a lot of blankets and gobos and stuff. Maybe try to work it into the middle of the drum kit and get the whole kit there, but for guitars and vocals and stuff I'd want to minimize room reflections.
This might be a good contest/challenge/learning experience. Use just ONE MIC and get a whole band tracked and figure out how to make it sound as good as possible without changing mics. |
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