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PostPosted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 11:51 am    Post subject: making a record with only one model of mic Reply with quote

not that i have enough of them to do this using close micing, but i just put up one of my 4033s on vocals and was pleasantly surprised the other day. it got me thinking what mic i could get away with putting on literally every instrument. my vote would be 4033s or sm98s. i only have 3 of each, so actualizing this is a long ways off for me, sadly.

so that's a question i pose to you all - if you had only one model of mic (imagining you had enough of them) to use on a whole record, what would you use?
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 1:05 pm    Post subject: Re: making a record with only one model of mic Reply with quote

I think I could do an entire record with an electro-voice re55. Distorted guitars would take a bit of tinkering, but otherwise it would not require much compromise.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 2:34 pm    Post subject: Re: making a record with only one model of mic Reply with quote

based on the kind of record i'd be making, i'd say a Coles 4038. probably my favorite mic in the whole world. first thing i'd buy if i hit the Lotto. Smile
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 8:40 pm    Post subject: Re: making a record with only one model of mic Reply with quote

Aminds me of when that guy did the song with all SM57's?

What was his name? Kelly?

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 10:25 pm    Post subject: Re: making a record with only one model of mic Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 10:28 pm    Post subject: Re: making a record with only one model of mic Reply with quote

I've always wanted to make a record only with Beyer M88s. I wonder if they'd loan me another 12-15 of them to do so.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 11:53 pm    Post subject: Re: making a record with only one model of mic Reply with quote

tomhampton wrote:
based on the kind of record i'd be making, i'd say a Coles 4038. probably my favorite mic in the whole world. first thing i'd buy if i hit the Lotto. Smile

Hey Tom, didn't realize you were on Tape Op!

I'd be pretty happy making a record with just KM84s, as long as it was something that didn't need huge low end (most of my personal work, for example). I don't own a 4038 but I can't imagine being unhappy there either. +1 on the 635a too, I've been using mine a lot in various spots in my past few sessions, it's always a lot nicer than I expect it to be.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 11:50 am    Post subject: Re: making a record with only one model of mic Reply with quote

hey, JG - yeah, i'm a little spotty in my participation, sadly...avid reader, but often i'm a simplex circuit around here. Smile
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 12:17 pm    Post subject: Re: making a record with only one model of mic Reply with quote

what was the staple mic at Motown Studio, KM86?
if i were still recording to tape, i would want a condenser - but to digital i want
a ribbon mic.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 12:29 pm    Post subject: Re: making a record with only one model of mic Reply with quote

permanent hearing damage wrote:


so that's a question i pose to you all - if you had only one model of mic (imagining you had enough of them) to use on a whole record, what would you use?


I could do a lot of damage with a dozen RCA BK11s....
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 12:30 pm    Post subject: Re: making a record with only one model of mic Reply with quote

I'd use a Telefunken U47.

If I had to use only one mic on everything.

Then I would also only use one kind or line amplifier, and use plgu ins to change the sounds.

In fact, I'm working on a song now... so I'll try this.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 1:07 pm    Post subject: Re: making a record with only one model of mic Reply with quote

It's interesting, though not unexpected, how a lot of the choices are fairly 'colored' mics.
I mean, I'd love to hear an all 4038 record. But I'd also be curious what a song recorded all with a high end omni would sound. Like a DPA or Earthworks.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 1:17 pm    Post subject: Re: making a record with only one model of mic Reply with quote

Not that this is exactly what you're asking, but I'm almost done with an EP that has a Shure KSM44 on every track except the bass, which was all DI'ed.

I'm not sure if that's the mic I would choose, but I would definitely want a multi-pattern LDC. Changing the pattern changes the sound (by changing the proximity effect, among other things), so it's like having more than one mic in just one mic.

Along with placement and different mic pre settings and so on, you could get a lot of great sounds with just one mic (and even just one pre).

Roy: One of the problems that I have with omnis is that they pick up so much ambient noise and sound. If you have a great sounding studio with no air handler noise, cars, dogs, whatever going on, you could layer up several omnis and be fine. Even in what I consider a quiet room, trying to bring up just four tracks of my Earthworks tends to put a lot of "air" in the mix.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 1:23 pm    Post subject: Re: making a record with only one model of mic Reply with quote

GooberNumber9 wrote:
Not that this is exactly what you're asking, but I'm almost done with an EP that has a Shure KSM44 on every track except the bass, which was all DI'ed.

I'm not sure if that's the mic I would choose, but I would definitely want a multi-pattern LDC. Changing the pattern changes the sound (by changing the proximity effect, among other things), so it's like having more than one mic in just one mic.

Along with placement and different mic pre settings and so on, you could get a lot of great sounds with just one mic (and even just one pre).

Roy: One of the problems that I have with omnis is that they pick up so much ambient noise and sound. If you have a great sounding studio with no air handler noise, cars, dogs, whatever going on, you could layer up several omnis and be fine. Even in what I consider a quiet room, trying to bring up just four tracks of my Earthworks tends to put a lot of "air" in the mix.


It's smart to pick a mic with multiple patterns but it feels like cheating somehow. Smile

You're right about ambience and all that. The Earthworks are notoriously noisy. In my head I was picturing a loud rock or noise band. As long as the mic can handle the spls you could get close to minimize bleed and outside noise. Personally having all that extra 'ambience' could be cool. It's be an interesting exercise at least.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 1:42 pm    Post subject: Re: making a record with only one model of mic Reply with quote

RoyMatthews wrote:
It's smart to pick a mic with multiple patterns but it feels like cheating somehow. :)

You're right about ambience and all that. The Earthworks are notoriously noisy. In my head I was picturing a loud rock or noise band. As long as the mic can handle the spls you could get close to minimize bleed and outside noise. Personally having all that extra 'ambience' could be cool. It's be an interesting exercise at least.
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No, really, I can't think of what mic I would use for an entire recording if it can't be multi-pattern. Maybe a KSM32 or an AT4033. I'd still try to change the "pattern" using gobos and placement and all kinds of stuff.

About omnis - my Earthworks doesn't really care if you put it next to a snare or loud guitar amp, it's still an omni. At that level you won't hear the "air" noise as much or at all, but you will hear the room a lot more. Again, if you have an awesome room, probably no problem. Still, with a lot of loud guitar sounds layered up, having a lot of room on each of those tracks can add up to a bit of a mess. Just switching from figure-8 to cardiod on a very loud guitar amp for one of my recent recordings made a big difference in the room sound the mic (the 44 in this case, obviously) was getting.

What I would do to get a whole track with one omni would be a lot of blankets and gobos and stuff. Maybe try to work it into the middle of the drum kit and get the whole kit there, but for guitars and vocals and stuff I'd want to minimize room reflections.

This might be a good contest/challenge/learning experience. Use just ONE MIC and get a whole band tracked and figure out how to make it sound as good as possible without changing mics.
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