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PostPosted: Sat Jun 18, 2016 11:27 pm    Post subject: Should I hang clouds in a room with tall ceilings? Reply with quote

I just moved into a new spot and it is beautiful. Hard wood floors, brick walls, wood ceiling. The natural reverb in there is great. Its the first place I've had with tall ceilings. I'm pretty excited! So my question is, with a place that has tall ceilings (it's about 12-15ft tall) do I need/would you recommend I hang bass traps could in the ceiling? I have plenty of bass traps. My only mild concern is I don't want to kill the natural reverb of the room but I definitely want to control the bass. I'll definitely be trapping the corners of the room and behind the mixing board and back wall of the control room.
I'll write the actual dimensions of the room here in a minute, just wanted to get the general question out there.
EDIT: added dimentions of the room
Live room 13ft Tall and 18ft wide, thne it gets more narrow to 14ft wide
Control Room 11ft tall by 14ft wide
It its not separated so its actually one room that is 60 long. So it's basically one large narrow hall.
Here's some pics of the place. (Forgive the mess I just moved in).


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 19, 2016 1:40 am    Post subject: Re: Should I hang clouds in a room with tall ceilings? Reply with quote

If that was my room I'd use a cloud above the mix position for sure. That won't kill the reverb, but it will kill early reflections which will help.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 19, 2016 9:26 pm    Post subject: Re: Should I hang clouds in a room with tall ceilings? Reply with quote

Thanks for the reply and noted! I'll definitely hang some in the mix position. Would you recommend the same in the live room?
ps I added the dimentions to the og post.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 20, 2016 12:42 am    Post subject: Re: Should I hang clouds in a room with tall ceilings? Reply with quote

Yeah, I'd create a few spots with clouds. Probably a cloud directly above where the drum kit (usually) goes is a good place.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 20, 2016 10:29 am    Post subject: Re: Should I hang clouds in a room with tall ceilings? Reply with quote

I'd agree about putting a cloud or 2 in the live room. My room is 30 x 30ish with a 15 foot ceiling in one half and about 10 in the other. We did a 4 x 8 cloud in one corner of the lower ceiling area. It gives you more flexibility. If you want dry, tight drums put them under the cloud and baffle around them. If you need more room on them you bring up the room mics. If you're cutting a live vocal with the band put them under the cloud and build a gobo booth.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 20, 2016 3:42 pm    Post subject: Re: Should I hang clouds in a room with tall ceilings? Reply with quote

Yes, this.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 20, 2016 4:17 pm    Post subject: Re: Should I hang clouds in a room with tall ceilings? Reply with quote

2:22

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8jymtu45kI
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 20, 2016 8:17 pm    Post subject: Re: Should I hang clouds in a room with tall ceilings? Reply with quote

Also, we can tell you'll need some gobos around the young man in pic # 2. Twisted Evil
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 20, 2016 11:05 pm    Post subject: Re: Should I hang clouds in a room with tall ceilings? Reply with quote

Ok cool so clouds it is! Now I gotta figure where the drums sound best...
I found an old door in the trash the other day, that I thought about grabbing and building a gobo out of it. Covering each side with fiberglass or some of that Auralux foam shit that was gifted to me by a buddy.
Any other suggetions for building a gobo?
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 23, 2016 12:18 pm    Post subject: Re: Should I hang clouds in a room with tall ceilings? Reply with quote

I've had good luck using OC703 for gobos. I used 1x4's to build a frame around and then covered it all with fabric. I used some 2x4's to build some "legs" so it did not tip over and even put casters on them so it would roll.

I did put a cloud in the center of my vaulted ceiling too


btw, superchunks are the best I found for corners...

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 23, 2016 8:45 pm    Post subject: Re: Should I hang clouds in a room with tall ceilings? Reply with quote

Just to toss additional options out there: I'm using a hard-topped cloud above my drum kit. It is 4'x8' and 12" deep, filled with fluffy pink, and topped with plywood - hung at around a 12* angle about a foot from the ceiling. This still damps direct reflections and controls a nasty low-end floor/ceiling mode I was getting, but the reflective hard top and 12* angle almost acts as a kind of diffuser and still leaves "air/decay" in the reflections that eventually get back into the room after a short delay...

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 25, 2016 7:54 pm    Post subject: Re: Should I hang clouds in a room with tall ceilings? Reply with quote

There was a fire last night. I posted about it here. but before that I was calibrating the monitors. I got it sounding pretty good except the was a null between 400-550hz.. I still had the clouds to hand and a few more bass traps and even some Auralex foam thingys if needed. Now we'll see if I can even stay there...

I did have a session Thursday and go to see how the room sounded and I was very pleased. It was some sloppy acoustic folk punk stuff. and the setup was:

1 vocal -Sm7b very close
2 Acoustic Close mic - Oktavamod MXL603
3 midside Room - PPA stereo ribbon mic Mid
4 midside Room - PPA stereo ribbon side
5 duplicated side mic with phase inverted
6 Ambient mic Left - Avenson STO
7 Ambient mic right - Avenson STO

Production was minimal, some compression on the close vocal and guitar mics and some EQ. There may have been some minimal EQ on the Room and ambient mics, but no compression used on either of those mics. The ambient mics were delayed by 20ms. The compression and EQ used was from Metric Halo Channelstrip. with Waves Renaissance Comp on the Master buss. Then Izotope after the fact for the limiter to get the volume up. Banged it all out in about 2-2.5 hours. Oh yea the guitar was a Seagull I borrowed from a friend.

Here is a good example of hearing the ambient mics and room when he gets louder
http://imayellowbelly.bandcamp.com/track/goodnight

If you want to here the whole thing its here:
http://imayellowbelly.bandcamp.com/album/sidewalk-songs
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 25, 2016 9:44 pm    Post subject: Re: Should I hang clouds in a room with tall ceilings? Reply with quote

Brett Siler wrote:


Here is a good example of hearing the ambient mics and room when he gets louder
http://imayellowbelly.bandcamp.com/track/goodnight


Holy, eh, "Heroes"; you can really hear the ambient kick in - sounds great!

Guy, BTW, sounds like Billy Bragg on speed.

EDIT: "That Dead Dog Waltz" song is a stand-out, BTW.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 25, 2016 10:39 pm    Post subject: Re: Should I hang clouds in a room with tall ceilings? Reply with quote

Thanks for the compliment on the recording! Yea can you tell I've been inspired by Steve Albini? Tony Visconti work with Bowie, T-Rex, Iggy Pop was amazing too. I love Heroes.

I can totally hear what your saying, Billy Braggs at 45rpm when it should be 33 1/3 haha.

It was a fun short session. Great for me to test out the room. I mixed in headphones as we recorded.
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