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PostPosted: Wed Mar 16, 2016 1:19 pm    Post subject: odd-metered jazz (not fusion) Reply with quote

Is there any jazz outside of Brubeck that has odd meters? I know there's Mahavishnu and that kind of thing (and enjoy it) but I'm looking for jazz, not fusion. I can't say I've ever noticed any odd meters even in the most "out" avant-jazz. That doesn't mean they aren't there... I just might not have noticed. I like Brubeck, but I don't find the playing all that exciting... it's pretty straight ahead other than the meters. That was a major innovation at the time, swinging odd times, but no one seemed to follow up on it. I wonder why that was... maybe because he was white? Or just not "hip" enough? I bet if Coltrane or Miles did a bunch of things in 7 there would have been a lot of players who followed and it would have endured. Instead, it seems like a one-off. Or maybe there's a lot of odd-time jazz I'm just unaware of. If that's the case, please fill me in...
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 16, 2016 1:44 pm    Post subject: Re: odd-metered jazz (not fusion) Reply with quote

Do a search on YouTube for Nukeleus.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 16, 2016 2:11 pm    Post subject: Re: odd-metered jazz (not fusion) Reply with quote

John Tchicai wrote in all sorts of odd meters, and was able to make them swing and sound natural. I've got a bunch of charts from when I was playing bass with him in the Archetypes.

I'm happy to pass a few on if you're interested. He's known for the outside "free jazz" side, but wrote and performed many tight, structured compositions. Sometimes they were legato melodic lines performed in unison over rhythmic ostinatos, other times there were lots of odd-meter patterns repeated. His duo album "Satisfaction" with bassist Vitold Rek is a good place to start.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 16, 2016 2:54 pm    Post subject: Re: odd-metered jazz (not fusion) Reply with quote

plenty of it in the avant-garde world: muhal richard abrams, anthony braxton, henry threadgill...
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 16, 2016 4:58 pm    Post subject: Re: odd-metered jazz (not fusion) Reply with quote

Lots of great suggestions here, thanks!
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 17, 2016 2:28 am    Post subject: Re: odd-metered jazz (not fusion) Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 17, 2016 2:28 am    Post subject: Re: odd-metered jazz (not fusion) Reply with quote

Don Ellis. The Free Spirits (w/Jim Pepper). I think Pharaoh Sanders may have done some things in that bag. The Art Ensemble of Chicago (you could play "What's the Key?" Just as easily as you play "What's the Time Signature?" Or even "Is there a Time Signature?")...

It's also good to remember that anything outside of 4/4 time was considered "odd time." So 3/4, while a standard part of the milieu today, at one time was a bit of a radical departure, and some artists, like Max Roach, did whole albums in "waltz time."

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 15, 2016 8:55 am    Post subject: Re: odd-metered jazz (not fusion) Reply with quote

I'm late to the party, but definitely check out Steve Lehman. I'm partial to his newer stuff (Steve Lehman Octet), but pretty much all of his music is rhythmically interesting/challenging.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 27, 2016 7:25 pm    Post subject: Re: odd-metered jazz (not fusion) Reply with quote

Steve Lehman is great! I was gonna suggest some of Dave Holland's stuff and then the clique of folks associated with the first Jay Leno Tonight show band-- Kevin and Robin Eubanks, Smitty Smith, etc. Some of the records those guys were making in the early 90s sound a little dated, but there's some interesting swinging stuff in odd time signatures for sure. Kenny Garrett is another fair good resource for this kind of thing.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 30, 2016 4:46 pm    Post subject: Re: odd-metered jazz (not fusion) Reply with quote

Masada, John Zorns Book Of Angles series, Electric Masada, Nels Cline Singers,
Double recommend Mahavishnu Orchestras first three albums and Steve Lehman. I'm assuming too that you aren't interested in free jazz (no time signature) but stuff with singular odd times signates (or changing signatures through the song but staying away from 4/4 for the most part)?
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 01, 2016 2:08 pm    Post subject: Re: odd-metered jazz (not fusion) Reply with quote

Vijay Iyer plays in some cool time signatures. The song "Revolutions" is one that comes to mind. His trio with Marcus Gilmore is really tight.
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