Yep, the basketball thing is COMPLETELY an acoustic thing from the bare wood. The various pre-muffled heads sound great to the listener and player, but you need to put something soft inside the drum if you're putting a mic in there.Randyman... wrote:I've recently found the "Basketball" sound is more attributable to the bare wood shell inside the drum (think about the frequencies that it is reinforcing being a cylinder and highly reflective).I'm Painting Again wrote: Yep..still can't stand the sound of that mic in the port hole.. it's basketball city and i guess it's because of the way the front head is set up (penny taped to beater impact point)..
Had a very nice Pork Pie kit in here a few months ago. Was tuned well with light damping built into the batter head, but had the basketball thing happening in a really bad way (even just the acoustic sound in the room had lots of it happening). I simply put a small couch arm cushion inside the shell (not even touching the heads) and BAM - basketball sound GONE! Impact and attack fully retained and even more present with that basketball sound gone.
Almost like lightly treating the reflections in a wood-paneled cylindrical room - lol. The quarter/penny on the beater thing will only accentuate that basketball quality - and the small cushion trick will retain the player's desired beater "chick" and kill a lot of the pingy basketball sound.
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You mean hits on the rack tom excite the snare wires?I'm Painting Again wrote:any tips for killing snare wire buzz from the toms while keeping the snare lively ?
I've occasionally found this to actually be awesome in spite of my OCD tendencies. I think I was listening to some record and was loving the drum sound, and then realized I was hearing some snare wires moving on tom hits, and realizing it's not always the enemy.
I don't have a smart mechanical solution, but I find most drummers tom playing is more limited than their kick and snare so it's not horrible just to edit it keeping snares out of tom hits, or taking toms out (or just down) when they're not being used to reduce cymbal hash.[/i]
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I have no solution but also have to agree that snare rattle can often make for killer drum tracks. I've had a few sessions where we ended up putting a spare snare on the floor next to the kick so it would rattle with every hit. I don't even think I mic'd it. Just having it in the rooms and oh gave everything so much vibe.losthighway wrote:You mean hits on the rack tom excite the snare wires?I'm Painting Again wrote:any tips for killing snare wire buzz from the toms while keeping the snare lively ?
I've occasionally found this to actually be awesome in spite of my OCD tendencies. I think I was listening to some record and was loving the drum sound, and then realized I was hearing some snare wires moving on tom hits, and realizing it's not always the enemy.
I don't have a smart mechanical solution, but I find most drummers tom playing is more limited than their kick and snare so it's not horrible just to edit it keeping snares out of tom hits, or taking toms out (or just down) when they're not being used to reduce cymbal hash.[/i]
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yes toms exciting the snare wires
yea for certain things it can be cool - bet - i can get rid of it completely and still have it sound good but it's at the expense of snare sensitivity - it would be amazing to get the drum to play 100% open and loose and have the toms not excite the wires
the snare in particular is a 14x6.5 black beauty - some other snares don't do it and I'm thinking it's the close size to the toms 12 & 14 that exacerbate the wire excitement
yes toms exciting the snare wires
yea for certain things it can be cool - bet - i can get rid of it completely and still have it sound good but it's at the expense of snare sensitivity - it would be amazing to get the drum to play 100% open and loose and have the toms not excite the wires
the snare in particular is a 14x6.5 black beauty - some other snares don't do it and I'm thinking it's the close size to the toms 12 & 14 that exacerbate the wire excitement
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Its almost impossible to not excite the snares when playing the toms and BD. Its too bad, because the tom do sound much better with the snares off.
I'm a real stickler for turning off the snares when I'm playing gigs and there are long section where I'm not playing. The bass and guitars rattling the snares when I'm not playing kills the effect of the arrangement for me.
I'm a real stickler for turning off the snares when I'm playing gigs and there are long section where I'm not playing. The bass and guitars rattling the snares when I'm not playing kills the effect of the arrangement for me.
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this is my current technique for reducing the rattling of the wires
no treatment:
http://agatha-christie-fanclub.tumblr.c ... 8633640381
treated:
http://agatha-christie-fanclub.tumblr.c ... 8633525083
I quickly set it up without fine tuning for best performance and have the iPhone pointed at the bottom of the snare to intensify the effect all for a worst case example
you can hear the snares are less sensitive but it works Ok if you'd rather have less buzz..my dream is to have the snare like the un muted wires but the toms not rattle them
no treatment:
http://agatha-christie-fanclub.tumblr.c ... 8633640381
treated:
http://agatha-christie-fanclub.tumblr.c ... 8633525083
I quickly set it up without fine tuning for best performance and have the iPhone pointed at the bottom of the snare to intensify the effect all for a worst case example
you can hear the snares are less sensitive but it works Ok if you'd rather have less buzz..my dream is to have the snare like the un muted wires but the toms not rattle them
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Is the second example just more cotton balls in the snare?I'm Painting Again wrote:this is my current technique for reducing the rattling of the wires
no treatment:
http://agatha-christie-fanclub.tumblr.c ... 8633640381
treated:
http://agatha-christie-fanclub.tumblr.c ... 8633525083
I quickly set it up without fine tuning for best performance and have the iPhone pointed at the bottom of the snare to intensify the effect all for a worst case example
you can hear the snares are less sensitive but it works Ok if you'd rather have less buzz..my dream is to have the snare like the un muted wires but the toms not rattle them
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same amount..the bunch is slightly shifted due to flipping it over..takes away some of the internal ring of the shell like we have been discussing with the kick drumdrumsound wrote:Is the second example just more cotton balls in the snare?I'm Painting Again wrote:this is my current technique for reducing the rattling of the wires
no treatment:
http://agatha-christie-fanclub.tumblr.c ... 8633640381
treated:
http://agatha-christie-fanclub.tumblr.c ... 8633525083
I quickly set it up without fine tuning for best performance and have the iPhone pointed at the bottom of the snare to intensify the effect all for a worst case example
you can hear the snares are less sensitive but it works Ok if you'd rather have less buzz..my dream is to have the snare like the un muted wires but the toms not rattle them
also the cotton inside serves to dampen the bottom head slightly..works great with toms BTW..you could really fill it and have a much more drastic result though of course it would prob sound bad to most people
the difference here comes from a gossamer of cotton fiber betwixt the wires and the bottom head..the slightest compromise in snare sensitivity can reduce snare buzz significantly
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