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PostPosted: Mon Apr 17, 2017 9:45 am    Post subject: console vs no console Reply with quote

so my Soundcraft Ghost blew up this weekend. It's probably not a difficult fix, but have yet to take a look. Also worth noting I'm not much of a tech. I have plenty of external pres and only use the ghost for routing (mostly pulling down the level of any hot pre output), monitoring and headphone mixes.

It blew up mid session, so had to use some crappy little mixer I have for my PA to use as a volume knob for my monitors, but aside from a good hour or so wasted figuring out the mixer for my Orion, I managed okay.

I'm thinking i could get by just fine with something like a Presonus Central Station, but am a little concerned with the hot pre outputs, though I suppose I could always stick some pads on there, no?

But wondering if I might be better served trying to find a sidecar/line mixer. Also, will feel awfully weird showing folks a control room without a console. Doesn't seem like mixers without mic pres are very easy to come by. Or are there some specific things I should be looking for?

Thanks in advance.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 17, 2017 11:43 am    Post subject: Re: console vs no console Reply with quote

In my freelance work I'm seeing console-less controller rooms more and more often these days. if there is a console its often badly integrated into the work flow and I end up using it only as a volume control for the monitors.
I wouldn't stress about client expectations. 90% don't know and don't care about the gear.
If it makes sense for you to ditch the ghost you should go for it. Sell it and put the money into something you'll use more.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 17, 2017 12:20 pm    Post subject: Re: console vs no console Reply with quote

without the ghost you might find you get a better or at least more pure sound out of your outboard pres going to the recorder..you might lose the overall signature of the Ghost on all the tracks however - good or bad thing - i don't know - subjective


If you need variable trim to the conversion / tape you can build or commission a bank of variable (or not) H pads or use something like the Shure pads (-15/-20/-25) after your preamps or buy ATTY's or something

I use the Shure's on the outputs of my APIs and they gain up where I like them and the peaks land in the perfect spot on the -20 setting

Atty has a trim pot but more $

shure not as flexible for level and has potential to mechanically stress your XLR jacks if you plug em directly to the pre outs and have the cable weigh it down (a support bar or similar is a solution here)

custom build - you have to build it

I hope that gives you some things to think about if you go with a pad solution
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 17, 2017 3:51 pm    Post subject: Re: console vs no console Reply with quote

Granted I'm only self-recording, but I use several MOTU boxes and no mixer on the way in, for 24 channels or so. I have the analog outs of the MOTUs summed to a Mackie 12-channel mini-mixer for master volume knob for monitoring. I like it a lot for a solution because it takes up almost no space and is reasonably transparent. I mix in ITB.

I guess for commercial work, there's something to be said for the wow factor of a big board, but the last studio session i did, the fellow who was running it said that's the large extent of his use of his, except as a controller for PT channel levels. FWIW.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 17, 2017 4:12 pm    Post subject: Re: console vs no console Reply with quote

I just use mine as preamps, no routing.

I was going to build a little preamp box to replace it, then I bought some condenser mics and was too lazy to figure out phantom power.

My cat likes to sleep on it, or the other mixer which is covered with a towel.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 17, 2017 8:05 pm    Post subject: Re: console vs no console Reply with quote

I'm from the time of consoles,
so I route all my audio through it, and have several speakers also routed through it.

I have a 5.1 Surround speaker setup, which uses the GROUPS to monitor through.

I record with the direct outputs of the console, so rarely need the groups assigns.

Speaker assigns:

Stereo to a two speaker selector with JBL 3 series and 4308 series.

Mono to a single mono amp with an Auratone 5C speaker.

Groups 1-6 are a Surround assign to an Onkyo receiver (the most widely sold model in the Us for a few years)

Groups 7-8 are a set of Yamaha MSP5 speakers.

I have all this calibrated.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 18, 2017 1:43 am    Post subject: Re: console vs no console Reply with quote

I like having a console in front of me for many reasons. Headphones, quick mixes, level to computer, sends to outboard, etc.

If you want to go console-less and you want to adjust level from pre to computer There's a cool attenuator box from Little Labs.
http://www.littlelabs.com/redcloud.html
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 12:35 pm    Post subject: Re: console vs no console Reply with quote

drumsound wrote:
I like having a console in front of me for many reasons. Headphones, quick mixes, level to computer, sends to outboard, etc.

If you want to go console-less and you want to adjust level from pre to computer There's a cool attenuator box from Little Labs.
http://www.littlelabs.com/redcloud.html


Me too on the console.
Working with bands it all goes so much faster!
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 21, 2017 2:42 am    Post subject: Re: console vs no console Reply with quote

roscoenyc wrote:
drumsound wrote:
I like having a console in front of me for many reasons. Headphones, quick mixes, level to computer, sends to outboard, etc.

If you want to go console-less and you want to adjust level from pre to computer There's a cool attenuator box from Little Labs.
http://www.littlelabs.com/redcloud.html


Me too on the console.
Working with bands it all goes so much faster!


Indeed! I can't imagine tracking dates without a console.
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