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Chris_Avakian
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 15, 2005 6:41 am    Post subject: no money for a u47...but Reply with quote

id like to get somthing real soon that has a simmilar sound to that of the u47.

this will be my first purchase of a mic over 200 dollars im im looking to spend about 500 dollars.

one mic? maybe a 441,and another mic?

somthing with a few diffrent polar patters. somthing that will be good for vocals as well as a room mic,and sounds good on tape.

somthing tube?

like i said.this will be my first purchase of a mic over 200 dollars.

HELP!
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 15, 2005 6:55 am    Post subject: Re: no money for a u47...but Reply with quote

Tough call. I'd say there IS nothing like a U47 in that range. They are all very different, but you can get a good mic.

The PPA (Pacific Pro Audio) LD-2ube has a colored/recorded sound that you might like. But it's not neutral or hifi really.

An AKG 414 is pretty common used, VERY flat response (much more than a U47) and has lots of patterns, a great workhorse mic.

Many mics in that price range have bright, trebly sounds. Not what you want. You could also get two decent mics that sound different for that money...
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 15, 2005 7:17 am    Post subject: Re: no money for a u47...but Reply with quote

I don't have experience with this particular mic, but some engineers i've talked to (in person, WORKING engineers, not just dudes online) that I trust have been pretty favorable toward the Audio Technica 4050. No, it's not a tube mic, but it's a well built mic that's affordable and not "cheap". And it's got switchable polar patterns. I've been meaning to try one but haven't got the dough anyway, so it would really be like dry humping with no happy ending.

I haven't tried many tube mics in that price range, but many strike me as being kinda cheap and something I'll just outgrow and later wish I had just saved up for a better one. I could be wrong, maybe they're great.

But give the 4050 a try, at least.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 15, 2005 7:56 am    Post subject: Re: no money for a u47...but Reply with quote

Yeah, people here seem to really dig the AT mics, but I have not tried one. I'm like you, don't own a a u47, rarely spend over $500 on a mic, but I can say I absolutely adore my 414. Really dig it in all sorts of applications. A great mic on a budget.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 15, 2005 8:57 am    Post subject: Re: no money for a u47...but Reply with quote

why a U47?

i'd try to find a UMT70k mic used...the k ones were made for full compass. i sold mine for 5 used a few years ago...it doesn't sound like a u47 that i know of...but it has the same capsule...

there was also one that Harvey Gerst wrote about...probably an MXL one...tube jobbie...

Mike

ps- "I don't have experience with this particular mic, but some engineers i've talked to (in person, WORKING engineers, not just dudes online) that I trust have been pretty favorable toward the Audio Technica 4050."

this is the greatest second hand info disclaimer ever. i'd buy the 4050.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 15, 2005 1:53 pm    Post subject: Re: no money for a u47...but Reply with quote

AT mics are pretty boss, but I think I would go for the 414. I've recorded lots of good stuff with one of those. On certain voices, it'll really do the trick for vocals.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 15, 2005 1:58 pm    Post subject: Re: no money for a u47...but Reply with quote

What about the AT 4047? It is based on the U47 fet model. You could find one used pretty cheap.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 15, 2005 2:18 pm    Post subject: Re: no money for a u47...but Reply with quote

I'm surprised that hardly anyone mentions Rode Mics. I love my NTK. I'm not comparing it to a Neumann or anything but it sounds pretty awesome.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 15, 2005 3:08 pm    Post subject: Re: no money for a u47...but Reply with quote

the AT4050's are damn useful. i have 2 and really love them. not to dis the 414, though, it's way up there in my book.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 15, 2005 3:09 pm    Post subject: Re: no money for a u47...but Reply with quote

If you're looking for something that is sort of in the 47 ballpark and around $500, then the only choice is probably an AT4047. But, it's cardiod only...which is more than likely what you'll use most of the time for vocals and stuff like close micing of amps and kick drums.

If you're looking for a mic that will run you about $500 that has multiple patterns, very versatile and you won't outgrow, no matter how far you go with recording, then the other posts are dead on. I'd look for the used AKG 414BULS or AT4050. I'll add another mic to the list...the Beyer 740. I just picked up one for $500 and it's an absolute sleeper. List price is around $2K and it's a great, great mic....sort of a U87-U89 mix. I also hear that Jim at Audio Upgrades has a nice mod for it....I can't wait to send him mine to tweak.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 15, 2005 3:15 pm    Post subject: Re: no money for a u47...but Reply with quote

another vote for the AT 4047. this ones a no brainer...go with the 4047 it's just a great mic based on the 47 and there is nothing budget about it. It is an indispensable mic in my cabinet and get's used constantly. And I do have few of the fancypants neumanns but the AT get used all the time.
Fave uses guitar amps, country male singers (gets deep round sound) bass amp, doghouse bass-

it's got a nice thick chunk to the sound, and can take enormous levels or be delicate-

you just can't do better if your looking for the 47FET type thing for $500-

no I don't work for AT
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 15, 2005 3:34 pm    Post subject: Re: no money for a u47...but Reply with quote

I'd like to put in a lonely little vote for the ADK TC model. It is tube but not multi-pattern. Mine is actually in the shop right now, getting a new tube. Which is to say that it has gotten weird recently. But, when it was in its prime, it sounded amazing. I'm hoping it returns to its former luster with the new tube. It had a very soft high end (which recently became strident)...just an amazing mic.

And in your price range, too.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 15, 2005 5:26 pm    Post subject: Re: no money for a u47...but Reply with quote

hate to say it guys but the AT4047 is "based on" a Nuemann U-47FET... A U-47fet while an outstanding mic, sounds NOTHING like a plain old tube U-47. and furthermore, the AT4047 while being an ok mic for its price, sounds NOTHING like a U-47FET.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 15, 2005 6:20 pm    Post subject: Re: no money for a u47...but Reply with quote

I'm really into the 4047 I have. Great on acoustic guitar, sometimes. Great on vocals, sometimes. A lot of proximity effect so you might have to back off.

But its got a large, warm bottom end with lots of smooth high end energy (a rare combination in a mic this price range)

I use it all the time on vocals, acoustic, electric bass, and sometimes if I want a big kick I'll do that too.

4047. Cardoid only. Character.
or...
4050. Multipattern. Clean.

Both really good mics.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 15, 2005 6:24 pm    Post subject: Re: no money for a u47...but Reply with quote

Studio Projects C3

think of it as a multi-pattern version of the C1 (see Mic Review Thread).

not bad at all and pretty damned close to your price point.
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