Editing drum takes 101
I'm gonna point the thread away from jca's crazy ass edits for a second...
What I usually like to do is fairly simple.
First, align all the takes so you can simply a/b them. Comp a take of the best bits, not worrying too much about lining up to the click or even to the other clips - you can make it fit later.
Then, turn off the click (if possible depending on style) and move the edit bits around till they work well together, crossfading btw clips as professor and others have suggested (staggering fades at the attacks of different drums, etc). I usually do it pretty damn fast though, just at a spot where there aren't a lot of cymbals. If need be, overdub a cymbal hit to transition it.
Then, if there are any bad hits, etc, try to take a better one from one of the other takes - if that doesn't work, layer the original hit with a sample taken from another take (not necessarily in the same spot, whatever). Then you should be "right rollin". Probably better to do this before compressing and stuff too just to make sure it sounds as even as you want it before you start doing corrective compression when you should be riding the fader or using a different take..
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What I usually like to do is fairly simple.
First, align all the takes so you can simply a/b them. Comp a take of the best bits, not worrying too much about lining up to the click or even to the other clips - you can make it fit later.
Then, turn off the click (if possible depending on style) and move the edit bits around till they work well together, crossfading btw clips as professor and others have suggested (staggering fades at the attacks of different drums, etc). I usually do it pretty damn fast though, just at a spot where there aren't a lot of cymbals. If need be, overdub a cymbal hit to transition it.
Then, if there are any bad hits, etc, try to take a better one from one of the other takes - if that doesn't work, layer the original hit with a sample taken from another take (not necessarily in the same spot, whatever). Then you should be "right rollin". Probably better to do this before compressing and stuff too just to make sure it sounds as even as you want it before you start doing corrective compression when you should be riding the fader or using a different take..
Mike
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Yep, that's the way to do it. I've had much better success doing it by ear - only going after what needs to be fixed. Otherwise the feel is shot to shit.joel hamilton wrote:Either move the few offensive hits by hand/ear, or open a whole can of worms trying to impose a grid on a persons performance. Even the best drummers I record, when subjected to "THE GRID" lose all the feel, and push and pull. Even when the hits are stupidly spot on, you can tell the difference.
I personally go after inddividual hits, and maybe a fill here or there.. Whatever it ttakes in the end of course, but it really is a WHOLE other process unless you just go after two or three offensive fills or hits.
Just my opinion.
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to the people who are shocked by what Jon is showing here-
this kind of approach is not uncommon at all in music production today. it doesnt matter what style is on hand either. it happens on albums where you wouldnt expect it too.
he is absolutely right to do it - the people paying the bills ask for it, making it the engineer's obligation to see it through.
this kind of approach is not uncommon at all in music production today. it doesnt matter what style is on hand either. it happens on albums where you wouldnt expect it too.
he is absolutely right to do it - the people paying the bills ask for it, making it the engineer's obligation to see it through.
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Looks like the computer thought about shitting itself! Hope you consolidated all that. Again, I'm with Joel , and then I read cGarges input, nice. When I pocket I usually look for the store detective.
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Hire a better drummer. I always advocate employing a brother musician seeking bread. I understand you can't always, believe it or not, but when its possible and everytime, hire somebody.
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I should state for the record that I have beat detective'd entire songs, and moved every bass hit to match the kick, and quantized the christ out of every single fill, then moved the hits to make it feel more "human" as well. Nobody even asked me about it when they heard it. At all. They said, "sounds cool" or "wow, awesome. cool song."Brian wrote:Looks like the computer thought about shitting itself! Hope you consolidated all that. Again, I'm with Joel , and then I read cGarges input, nice. When I pocket I usually look for the store detective.
Hire a better drummer. I always advocate employing a brother musician seeking bread. I understand you can't always, believe it or not, but when its possible and everytime, hire somebody.
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Thats where the overheads and hat mics better be right. Editing drum tracks you considrr the individual tracks as gated drums except the overheads and hat. All the ambiance comes from them. So don't screw it up. You may have to layer in a cymbal once an edit to overheads and hat or all tracks is done to mask the gap.
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Is there no snare in your overheads?Brian wrote:Thats where the overheads and hat mics better be right. Editing drum tracks you considrr the individual tracks as gated drums except the overheads and hat. All the ambiance comes from them. So don't screw it up. You may have to layer in a cymbal once an edit to overheads and hat or all tracks is done to mask the gap.
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