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tonejunkee
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 Posted: Wed May 03, 2006 8:43 pm Post subject: Po Boys Ceiling/Walll treatment |
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I recently read an article from John Keane (REM, Widespread Panic, etc) and he said that when reacording in a room with harwood floors it's best to treat the ceilings/walls and leave the floor bare(for acoustic guitar/vocal stuff)......so my tiny apartment has hard wood floors and I've done the "eggcrate thing" on the walls and need to treat the ceiling. any recommendations? I'm recording on my laptop which is super quiet  so that's not an issue anymore
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| Posted: Mon May 08, 2006 4:06 pm Post subject: Re: Po Boys Ceiling/Walll treatment |
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Absolutely. Just don't get crazy. Judicious use of some relatively broadband absorbtion (like 2" instead of carpet or blankets or 1" foam etc.) on the ceiling can help things out quite a bit without taking up any valuable floorspace.
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| Posted: Tue May 09, 2006 6:32 pm Post subject: Re: Po Boys Ceiling/Walll treatment |
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I think you should stick with your first idea, and put po-boys on your ceiling.
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myfipie
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| Posted: Wed May 10, 2006 8:50 am Post subject: Re: Po Boys Ceiling/Walll treatment |
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>I've done the "eggcrate thing" on the walls <
eggcrates do nothing to help with room acoustics. If you are short on money then I would recommend buying the fluffy fiberglass in the bags and stacking it in the corners from floor to ceiling. That will help with the bass. For the ceiling foam is "OK" but use 3 or more inch and don't go crazy with it. You would be much better off to use 2" rigid fiberglass, but if money is short then you have to work with what you got.
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| Posted: Sun May 14, 2006 7:05 pm Post subject: Re: Po Boys Ceiling/Walll treatment |
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My friend and I built a really cheap and simple ceiling cloud. Three 8 foot 1x6, one of them cut in half to make a rectangular frame. Staple in some fabric, and put some rolled insulation. Put hooks on the corners and the ceiling and get some chain to hang from the ceiling. It made a huge difference in my live room. You can vary the chain length to get it closer or farther from the drums.
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| Posted: Tue May 16, 2006 6:17 am Post subject: Re: Po Boys Ceiling/Walll treatment |
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| The posters that mention fiberglass are spot on. You'd be much better off using something like 2" Owens Corning 703 or even regular fiberglass insulation than your eggcrate stuff. You're only killing high frequencies when you're putting that stuff up, so you'll reduce your room to a muddy mess. Bass trapping is the most important thing for most rooms to approach anything close to an even frequency response. Google "Ethan Winer" and find his acoustics forum. It'll provide you with a ton of information. |
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googacky
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| Posted: Tue May 16, 2006 6:17 am Post subject: Re: Po Boys Ceiling/Walll treatment |
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| The posters that mention fiberglass are spot on. You'd be much better off using something like 2" Owens Corning 703 or even regular fiberglass insulation than your eggcrate stuff. You're only killing high frequencies when you're putting that stuff up, so you'll reduce your room to a muddy mess. Bass trapping is the most important thing for most rooms to approach anything close to an even frequency response. Google "Ethan Winer" and find his acoustics forum. It'll provide you with a ton of information. |
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| Posted: Wed May 17, 2006 10:33 am Post subject: Re: Po Boys Ceiling/Walll treatment |
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| myfipie wrote: |
eggcrates do nothing to help with room acoustics. |
it can help a little if you have a bright harsh room..but like you said definitely not as good as fiberglass, etc.
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| Posted: Wed May 17, 2006 10:35 am Post subject: Re: Po Boys Ceiling/Walll treatment |
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| brian beattie wrote: | I think you should stick with your first idea, and put po-boys on your ceiling.
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thats sweet..when it earthquakes it will be raining meat and sauce!!
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| Posted: Wed May 17, 2006 10:41 am Post subject: Re: Po Boys Ceiling/Walll treatment |
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"I think you should stick with your first idea, and put po-boys on your ceiling."
quote from brian
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| Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2006 3:15 pm Post subject: Re: Po Boys Ceiling/Walll treatment |
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| tonejunkee wrote: | | ......so my tiny apartment has hard wood floors and I've done the "eggcrate thing" on the walls and need to treat the ceiling. any recommendations? |
If you are in a small room, don't waste your time on eggcrate. Using eggrate as an effective acoustical treatment is one of those "urban legands of recording". If you are lucky, eggcrate might (by some chance in hell) work for high-freq flutter echo if your room is large enough, but if your space is smaller than (lets say 40 feet or so eggcrate may make matters even worse since the absorbion/reflection patterns of it are unknown. Also, please remember that eggcrate was never designed or intended as an acoustical treatment much less a building material and could potentially be a fire hazzard. It was intended as food transport packaging, and should really be used as such.
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| Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2006 4:24 pm Post subject: Re: Po Boys Ceiling/Walll treatment |
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| Yeah, use 703/705/whateva and mount them in wooden frames, then suspend the frames from the ceiling with eye hooks. I made some 2x6 panels with 1x2 framing. Get a friend to help you put 'em up, though, they're a bitch to hang yourself. |
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myfipie
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| Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 3:06 pm Post subject: Re: Po Boys Ceiling/Walll treatment |
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| Avoid*Catsup wrote: | | myfipie wrote: |
eggcrates do nothing to help with room acoustics. |
it can help a little if you have a bright harsh room..but like you said definitely not as good as fiberglass, etc. |
Not that I would do this, but I would use a army blanket on the wall before a egg carton.
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| Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 10:28 am Post subject: Re: Po Boys Ceiling/Walll treatment |
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2" mineral fiber panels are going to be unable to work lwo in the band. To address low frequency resonances you need to get that up to at least 4" thick panels, ans these should be mounted with +/- 4" of gap behind the panels.
Here is a collection of absorption coefficients for many materials. Note how big a difference spcing off the surface and panel thickness can make.
http://www.bobgolds.com/AbsorptionCoefficients.htm
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