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@¶,*ƒƒƒ&™
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 Posted: Fri Feb 18, 2011 10:20 pm Post subject: Re: The budget breakdown |
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| cgarges wrote: | Fuck you, Jeff. My book rate is more than $300 a day.
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Dude, you should mind you moderator language here.
From the Garges website:
"Do You Have A Studio In Which To Record?"
Many people get confused by the concept of a freelance recording engineer. As a freelancer, I don't have a studio of my own, but I have access to several choices of studios, depending on the needs of a particular project. I have recorded in large commercial studios, small commercial studios, churches, theatres, clubs, and even people's houses. Being in this type of situation provides flexibility in cost, location, and technical needs.
That means if you book with Garges, you're gonna be paying at least double for a day in the studio.
According to the survey, it would be more lucrative for Chris to own his own studio- or at least that appears to be how most bands like to work:
http://www.myspace.com/musicianengineersurvey/photos/14560615#%7B%22ImageId%22%3A14560574%7D |
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wayne kerr
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| Posted: Fri Feb 18, 2011 10:22 pm Post subject: Re: The budget breakdown |
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| @¶,*ƒƒƒ&™ wrote: | Nope. Engineering rate for Garges and Joel are right around $300 for a 12-hour day. That's the rate. If you pay more, you're getting raped. You can certainly pay less. Unless you've got management negotiating your deals, more than that isn't gonna happen.
If Garges owns his studio, he might do a package thing- but then what are you paying for? Gear for X hours? or him? |
Raped harder than paying some douche-nozzle $35 for the "privilege" of critiquing your CD?
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cgarges
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| Posted: Fri Feb 18, 2011 10:28 pm Post subject: Re: The budget breakdown |
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For whatever it's worth, I filled out your survey. At least I filled out the questions I could answer sensibly, since some of the options for answers didn't cover many specific situations.
I own a house and have not paid for anything with money made outside of music income of some type since 1998.
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wayne kerr
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| Posted: Fri Feb 18, 2011 10:42 pm Post subject: Re: The budget breakdown |
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Seriously Robinson, you are one pauncey wanker to get that kind of reaction out of a mellow dude like Chris Garges.
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MoreSpaceEcho
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| Posted: Fri Feb 18, 2011 10:55 pm Post subject: Re: The budget breakdown |
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| @¶,*ƒƒƒ&™ wrote: | | A kid in his basement won't be able to deliver a Red Book CDR and embed ISRC and UPC in the digital data. |
if said kid has a copy of wavelab, and can read, he can do this no problem.
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| Posted: Fri Feb 18, 2011 11:11 pm Post subject: Re: The budget breakdown |
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Wow! What a thread..............jesus.
Chris, he's baiting you. Don't bite.
Jeff, Gearslutz is full of dicks. You could be king dick over there but that shit just doesn't fly here.
Times change, markets change. If you don't change with them you'll get buried. You're trying to sell Lincolns in a world of compact cars. There's still lots of work and decent money to be made but it's not the 70's, 80's or even 90's anymore.
Grow up or go away.
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Matt C.
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| Posted: Sat Feb 19, 2011 12:17 am Post subject: Re: The budget breakdown |
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Q: how do records get made these days?
A: by a kid in his basement |
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Brett Siler
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joninc
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| Posted: Sat Feb 19, 2011 5:58 am Post subject: Re: The budget breakdown |
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I'd hate to hear how unfinished the mixes sound with 4.2 hours of work on them.
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who are you michael brauer? cla? tchad blake? you are extremely condescending and ignorant. you are gonna work on a project with a $5k budget and spend 2 weeks mixing it? are you trying to pretend that you have a major label budget to play with?
i do this for a living and have for the past 10 years. i support my family as a producers/engineer. i have a small home studio with decent gear and i work with up and coming indie artists with the average budget of about 6 - 9k. most projects are done in about 3 weeks - tracked and mixed. 8 hour days. 4 weeks is more ideal but out of the reach of a lot of my clients financially.
it's VERY rare that i get to spend more than a half day on a mix and if a mix is particularly challenging to me then i may end up throwing in a few hours of my own time to get it to where i am happy with things but 2 songs a day is a general ballpark and since i track 90% of what i mix - that's usually a reasonable rate. i get things sounding as good as i can at the source and tweak as we track so that it's not like there's lots of problems to fix or change when it's mix time. i have decent instruments around so that i know we can always get a good snare/guitar/amp sound and not spend hours dicking around with eqs and samples and stuff later.
but maybe you plan to grid it all out and edit all the life out of the drums before you add anything - and then punch the guitar tracks in chord by chord so the intonation is perfect for each voicing - and then tune every note to sound in perfect unison like a synth. that could all take a lot of time.
if you want to work for $2/hr - go ahead and be my guest - but you won't be earning a living wage , you won't be able to afford the tools to do a good job of things and you'll most likely end up LIVING IN A VAN DOWN BY THE RIVER.
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| Posted: Sat Feb 19, 2011 12:03 pm Post subject: Re: The budget breakdown |
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| @¶,*ƒƒƒ&™ wrote: | | joninc wrote: | more realistic numbers, atleast IMHO:
Manufacturing at Discmakers or Oasis CD Manufacturing:
$500 for 200 cds plus BANDCAMP (free)
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Burned, not pressed. Therefore won't be taken seriously anywhere you send it. Also, likely a fragile medium that won't last as long as a pressed CD due to dye problems.
| joninc wrote: | | Copyright registration nope |
An amateur mistake not to go through www.copyright.gov
| joninc wrote: | | ISRC Registration free |
So instead of having your publishing tracked and paid to you- you'd rather it was paid to whoever issues you the ISRC's? BAD decision.
More on that here:
http://usisrc.org/faqs/general.html#Q6
| joninc wrote: | | Mastering, assume a project rate with a decent ME $500 |
Could be. Cheaper rates are out there, but no top name guy is gonna do this for you. A kid in his basement won't be able to deliver a Red Book CDR and embed ISRC and UPC in the digital data.
| joninc wrote: | Recording/Mixing, let's assume an DAY rate. $400/day times x 10 days = $4000
- 6.5 tracking days and 3.5 to mix 10 songs |
I'd hate to hear how unfinished the mixes sound with 4.2 hours of work on them.
| joninc wrote: |
Let's assume you're Chris Garges or Joel Hamilton who would likely work for $25 an hour. You could work for 46 hours on the project.
AS IF THEY WORK FOR $25 AND HOUR - YOU ARE INSANE - TRY DOUBLE OR TRIPLE THAT |
Nope. Engineering rate for Garges and Joel are right around $300 for a 12-hour day. That's the rate. If you pay more, you're getting raped. You can certainly pay less. Unless you've got management negotiating your deals, more than that isn't gonna happen.
If Garges owns his studio, he might do a package thing- but then what are you paying for? Gear for X hours? or him? |
I love your ass-umptions, and speaking for others on the forum.
Great job.
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