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by Brian » Sat Jul 31, 2004 9:33 am
As for working for free:Joined: 02 Jun 2003
Posts: 47
Posted: Fri 30.07.04, 7:07 pm?? ?Post subject: Re: Will mix for free.
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No amount of writing "I'm doing it because I love it" will desguize you low self worth and the fact that you live at home with your parents and they're paying for your "habit", to shut you up.
As for "Funny how you don't hear anyone bitching about TapeOp being free.":
They sell ads to advertizers! Ads ain't free! See, someone is trying to make a buck with TapeOp.
As for: "Since its cheaper to build a small recording room then it is to pay for recording time its no wonder the cost of recording fell through the floor."
Only if you really don't care about quality till you "figure out" what you're doing, which takes time. Little Equation: You're born naked, you buy shit, some of it you wanna keep, you die, all your crap and your naked body get left behind. ALL YOU HAD WAS YOUR TIME.
As for:"I do stuff for free all the time.
I feel like an idiot everytime I do."
Well put!
As for: "Why is everyone always kicking the little guy. "
Don't be fooled, he ain't the little guy, the litrtle guy charges.
Whats with getting on anewman's case he's probably doing this to gain a lot of experience so he can charge later. "
That's what internships are for, that and building a client base.
People aren't born to mix."
Oh, yeah!?!
As For: "Have you even heard Guided by Voices, Elliott Smith or Grandaddy?? They're the tip of an iceberg. They realised the mistake of thinking they had to be in a studio to make recordings of their VERY talented songs and ideas. They realised that a 4 track can be all you ever need. "
Doing it for your own band and getting a Grammy and spoiling a market are two different issues, anewman is hiring himself out foir free, not just recording his own stuff. Big difference.
As for: "Seems a bit odd to me for fedderman to be so threatened by home recordists and people who wish to do things for free etc. If somebody wants to do something for free, be it for fun, experience, whatever, i don't see what business it is of anybody else."
I guess your actions never affect a community of people either, oh, you just never thouight about that. What if TapeOp stopped selling ads, then you wouldn't get your mag unless oyu paid for it, but, where's the money going to come from if YOU are recording for free,? MOM and DAD.
Recording for free is fine, if you are interning in someone else's studio, where someone can teach you proffessional techniques that aren't "in the manual" (and there are lots). Anyone who thinks buying a bunch of gear and working for free is good for "anewman" is doing anewman a great dis-service. The fact is that he won't learn how to do a better job in a reasonable amount of time without it and he'll miss out on a lot of opportunity to pick up[ good clients that pay and appreciate contributing to his cause monatarily, the basis of our country. We ain't socialists.
As for: "I once worked for a guy that tought me a really important lesson. He told me that "if you work for free, your work is worthless".
ROCK ON!
As for: "Maybe he should be told that giving freely isn't worthless, it's priceless. "
Try paying your studio electricity with a "priceless" check. It starts a whole new dynamic in your attitude toward money, especially when you get a whole $7 a day to clean up trash in an orange jumpsuit for a week.
As For: " I've got friends who have boats that cost well over $100,000. And they take people out in them all the time JUST FOR FUN. Just for the hell of it. For free. Just because they love to be out on their boats and enjoy the company of other people.
It's called a HOBBY.
Are they threatening the "boating industry"? "
If you mean "water taxi industry and if they run their boat outta the same dock as a commercial water-taxi operation, yes they are.
"Even someone like George Massenburg has commented that some of the very best stuff he's ever done were freebies. "
George has done a whole lot more stuff for big buck$ and I bet if you ask him to do your project for free right now he hangs up on you.
"Understand that by giving away gear, you're making it hard for guitar center to sell gear. =) "
Do ya think he originally gets the gear through GTCR? They give away one piece of gear, not the whole store.
You are young, you need to get some perspective on your goal, make a better path that is more condusive to your success, not someone else's at your expense, that's for interns.
Nope, the freebie guys don't affect my business, more likely people who can't pay or try to haggle at the end of a project when they overspent on lunch during the sessions.
You are a part of the community of studios in your area whether you like it or not. You just don't have enough confidence to charge, yet. Charge anyway. You'll feel a lot better about yourself. Just cuz your parents got bucks doesn't mean you can't or shouldn't make your own.
A lot of guys in this biz had overbearing parents, it spawns musicians and engineers, it doesn't have to own you.
Do an internship, (even while you do your own studio biz) get some clients and solicit all the help you can from the guy who's engineering the sessions you intern on (before or after the session) and pay attention, do what they say. An internship played right is waaaaayyy more valuable than going to school or owning gear.
For instance, after interning at a great studio, I engineered a demo for a band. We tracked drums live to 2track dat at a cheap studio, then with one microphone (Beyer M-500) and an old 8-track & an 8channel mixer dumped and overdubbed in my living room and got a deal with Capitol.
Clients seek me out. Why? ""TALENT!" I hope, cuz, I ain't that cheap.
It ain't the gear. I can work anywhere. You can do this and you can get an ear if you don't have one, there are actually courses for an engineers ears, a producer's ear is much more subjective. I think it could be taught though. It won't be in the manual of some gear.
Harumph!
