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omari jamal
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 10, 2014 12:57 pm    Post subject: Getting credit where credit is due. Reply with quote

i worked as a co-producer on some tracks for some friends of mine. they put the songs up on their bandcamp page with no credit to me or the guy from their label i worked with.

i volunteered my time because i love working in the studio, and i'm tired of so many bands i know making crappy records, but i don't think it's asking much to get a little credit as a producer. we all know that credits lead to more work which is what i'm really interested in.

anyone else have this happen to them? who's the asshole here? should i tell them what's up or let it go?
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 10, 2014 1:25 pm    Post subject: Re: Getting credit where credit is due. Reply with quote

Easy enuff to amend those pages - I'd ask 'em to, and be prepared to explain why.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 10, 2014 1:39 pm    Post subject: Re: Getting credit where credit is due. Reply with quote

otherwise this happens:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mAuy8zaw6A
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 10, 2014 2:23 pm    Post subject: Re: Getting credit where credit is due. Reply with quote

I see nothing wrong with dropping them a polite note asking to be included on the bandcamp page alongside the other people who worked on the recordings.
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Nick Sevilla
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 11, 2014 10:43 am    Post subject: Re: Getting credit where credit is due. Reply with quote

Hi,

Is there credit given to other people on that page?

Is it a band page that has NO one else mentioned on it?

FYI, in most every single bandcamp page / band website / online presence of any band famous or not, it is about the ARTIST, and I actually do not expect my name anywhere. It is their advertising of their product and of their public image.

It is NOT an opportunity for anyone behind the scenes to get a little limelight.

If you want your credit, and they DO have a page where the behind the scenes is talked about, or a credit page, or a link to imbd or allmusic etc. and yet YOUR name is not on this part of their page, THEN I would ask for you to be on there as it is appropriate.

But, in defense of the artist, YOU are not important in the big scheme of things. I have never ever had a fan of a band ask who produced / engineered / masturbated on the console. Ever. Because the fan does not care, and they should not care. The fan is there for the ARTIST.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 11, 2014 10:46 am    Post subject: Re: Getting credit where credit is due. Reply with quote

And one post-rant note:

Every time the production of an artist A is admired by another artist B, if artist B really wants to work with you, they WILL find you.

It is not at all hard. And how most of us get new work.

Word of mouth. It is still the best advertisement you can get.
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omari jamal
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 12, 2014 3:52 am    Post subject: Re: Getting credit where credit is due. Reply with quote

They gave credit to the engineer and the studio, so I don't think I'm being out of line here.
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omari jamal
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 12, 2014 3:56 am    Post subject: Re: Getting credit where credit is due. Reply with quote

If you solely relied on word of mouth then let's just go back to the days when no one got credit on records. There's a reason why that practice has been abandoned.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 12, 2014 11:56 am    Post subject: Re: Getting credit where credit is due. Reply with quote

I agree OJ (?!?, Doh!), if others were credited so should you. But, this brings up an important point-- your role(s), whether engineer, AE, producer, co-producer, arranger, etc., and any fee(s), royalties, or lack thereof, and even details of credits, should all be worked-out ahead of time, and sealed with a nice, legible, intelligible contract. That discussion needs to occur, and agreement arrived at, before note-one is played and button-one pushed in the studio.

Not for the OP, but for general instructive purposes-- "co-producer" is definitely great resume, but not usually a royalty-bearing credit (just something to be aware of).

GJ
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 19, 2014 9:27 am    Post subject: Re: Getting credit where credit is due. Reply with quote

A semi-successful 70's punk band got back together and recorded some stuff, then imploded again. They only had 30 minutes of music done. I did three killer remixes of some of the stuff using just the vocals, and the album finally reached 45 minutes.

One of them did an interview in the newspaper - a huge two-page spread. He waxed eloquently about everyone including the pizza delivery guy and didn't even mention me. I wrote/performed one-third of the whole album. Without me, that would have been an EP.

Some people just suck....
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 19, 2014 1:41 pm    Post subject: Re: Getting credit where credit is due. Reply with quote

Must have been some awesome pizza. Twisted Evil

But yeah, that does suck.

As suggested above, do you have anything in writing? I'd certainly take a hard line on any $ due ...
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 19, 2014 4:10 pm    Post subject: Re: Getting credit where credit is due. Reply with quote

vvv wrote:
Must have been some awesome pizza. Twisted Evil

But yeah, that does suck.

As suggested above, do you have anything in writing? I'd certainly take a hard line on any $ due ...


They owe me nothing but respect. Let's just say they're on their own in the future.... Twisted Evil
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