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PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2004 12:39 am    Post subject: Reamping... call me dumb, but what is it? Reply with quote

I've recently been hearing of 'reamps' and the term 'reamping'... but have not yet figured out what it does and means. And i think if i'm not mistaken, in a recent tapeop article, that someone had mentioned the wonders of 'reamping' a snare with a mic. what does that mean and what would be so good about it?
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2004 12:43 am    Post subject: Re: Reamping... call me dumb, but what is it? Reply with quote

If you have the new Tape Op (and you should), its all explained in the "Letters" section.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2004 12:52 am    Post subject: Re: Reamping... call me dumb, but what is it? Reply with quote

"Re-amping" is sending a pre-recorded signal--bass, snare, guitar, whatever--from tape out to an amp or speaker to change the tone that was recorded originally. Similar to Lucasfilm's "worldizing" procedure, it's generally done to a tone you don't like something about, like a lifeless bass tone. The example that springs to my mind is the time I was given tracks to mix that I hadn't recorded, and the bass sounded like the guy had made a little smiley-face with his graphic EQ and sucked all the mids out: it was all rumbly low end and hiss with no definition. So, we sent the bass track through an aux send out to a little Peavey guitar amp, stuck a 57 in front of it and brought the mic channel back on a fader as if it were an effects return. This gave me one fader of rumble and hiss (whch was duly rolled off), and one fader of mids and a little nice dirt. Mix to taste.

This can be done pretty easily with an aux send, but there are several companies that make "re-amp" boxes that change the output level of the board to something a guitar amp would like to see. Which I guess is electronically healthier for you, and fiscally healthier for them.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2004 1:24 am    Post subject: Re: Reamping... call me dumb, but what is it? Reply with quote

I just tried it and its fucking cool. I think my next new gadget is a reamp. I reamped an accoustic guitar track and a snare sample and I can't believe it took me this long to try it. Thank you tapeop.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2004 2:39 am    Post subject: Re: Reamping... call me dumb, but what is it? Reply with quote

Oh Wing, your so dumb, 2085 posts and you don't know what a reamp is, come on!?!?

Just kiddin, anyway, I know your a drummer so my recommendation for your first experiment in reamping: mic your snare with one mic like a 57 on top, reamp the recorded track through any old speaker which you place on top of the snare or another snare (you might need to loosen the snares a bit to really get it to work) and mic the underside of the snare drum. Then record the reamped version and blend it with the old snare track. It yields a really nice sound if done well, bless the tapeopper who posted this on the board, it has really inspired me to experiment with this technique.

I just got into the whole reamping thing not to long ago and I must admit it really has opened up a whole knew pallete of sounds that I can get. I've experimented with reamping everything from guitars, basses, synths, drums vocals etc... and while not every track works, sometimes the results I've gotten have been pretty amazing. Take a brake from the 2000+ posts and do some recording!!! Laughing
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2004 4:15 am    Post subject: Re: Reamping... call me dumb, but what is it? Reply with quote

A trick I do alot is to run my guitar into an DI box and have one out to the board and the other to a guitar amp. I record them both. Since I'm running direct into 1 channel, I can reamp it with whatever amp I want and blend it with the other. It's a good trick for guitarist who want to use too much gain or just have an overall bad tone (I used to, but I've learned my lessons). They still get the comfort and confidence from "Their sound" and we have alot more options.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2004 4:58 am    Post subject: Re: Reamping... call me dumb, but what is it? Reply with quote

One of the lesser mentioned points about the reamping devices is the ground/earth lift. The ReampŠ unit lifts pin 1. The Little Labs PCP and Redeye units lift the Xformer. Anyone trying to deal with ground loops when reamping should know the big difference this makes.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2004 9:25 am    Post subject: Re: Reamping... call me dumb, but what is it? Reply with quote

Can I just say how much I love the Redeye. It really comes in handy when recording at home where I often record a direct track and then later can try different amps in different settings to get the right vibe. Just the other day I thought that the tone of a vox pathfinder sitting in my claw foot tub bath was just what I needed. Turned out my silvertone amp in case in a bedroom sounded much better. I have experimented a bit (but need to do more) running things like percussion and vocals through it into amps, but it makes the process way easy and sounds much better than when I would just plug a line out into an amp. Yes I know some people say they do that with do problem, but to me it just always sounded not quite right, and at times was very obviously just wrong.

For me the ground lift is a god send, as is the level and phase switches. Makes it really convienent to get great sounds. Also I have used it as a passive DI for my bass and it sounds excellent as well.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2004 9:41 am    Post subject: Re: Reamping... call me dumb, but what is it? Reply with quote

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One of the lesser mentioned points about the reamping devices is the ground/earth lift. The ReampŠ unit lifts pin 1. The Little Labs PCP and Redeye units lift the Xformer. Anyone trying to deal with ground loops when reamping should know the big difference this makes.


E-cue, can you clarify this a bit? Which method deals with ground loops better?
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2004 10:05 am    Post subject: Re: Reamping... call me dumb, but what is it? Reply with quote

dwlb wrote:
So, we sent the bass track through an aux send out to a little Peavey guitar amp, stuck a 57 in front of it and brought the mic channel back on a fader as if it were an effects return. This gave me one fader of rumble and hiss (whch was duly rolled off), and one fader of mids and a little nice dirt. Mix to taste.


I like the sound of that a lot. My only concern is phasing. Shoud Wing be warned about that?
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2004 2:33 pm    Post subject: Re: Reamping... call me dumb, but what is it? Reply with quote

bobbydj wrote:
dwlb wrote:
So, we sent the bass track through an aux send out to a little Peavey guitar amp, stuck a 57 in front of it and brought the mic channel back on a fader as if it were an effects return. This gave me one fader of rumble and hiss (whch was duly rolled off), and one fader of mids and a little nice dirt. Mix to taste.


I like the sound of that a lot. My only concern is phasing. Shoud Wing be warned about that?


He just was, it seems. But phase is a concern anytime you use two different points of reference from which to capture a sound source. Phase likely wouldn't be an issue is you were simply replacing the original sound with the re-amped sound, but in my example, yes, watch out for phase bugaboos.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2004 2:37 pm    Post subject: Re: Reamping... call me dumb, but what is it? Reply with quote

meblumen wrote:
Take a brake from the 2000+ posts and do some recording!!! Laughing


thanks, but... i just didn't happen to know what reamping is yet. i've still much to learn. but i record daily. i just don't show it to everyone. i also run the beat union beat of the week... which no one is really making songs for this week!!

shout out to jajguy on that one.

oh and, i'll have to try your snare suggestion.. though i would think that would give a very rattley snare effect, especially if you loosened the snare wires?
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2004 2:58 pm    Post subject: Re: Reamping... call me dumb, but what is it? Reply with quote

The ground/earth thing. Is that about impedance???? I like the idea of trying this with an aux send and return, is there a possibility I can screw up my mixer really bad by doing this???
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2004 4:15 pm    Post subject: Re: Reamping... call me dumb, but what is it? Reply with quote

justinf wrote:
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One of the lesser mentioned points about the reamping devices is the ground/earth lift. The ReampŠ unit lifts pin 1. The Little Labs PCP and Redeye units lift the Xformer. Anyone trying to deal with ground loops when reamping should know the big difference this makes.


E-cue, can you clarify this a bit? Which method deals with ground loops better?


I'll try.

When the redeye or PCP are used as a passive direct box (I use it with guitar pedals all the time) the earth lift lifts the ground (pin 1) of the output male xlr. When used as a re-amp, it lifts the ground (sleeve) of the re-amp out jack. The ground lift switch on the Reamp lifts xlr pin 1, not the transformer output, so no ground isolation is going on between amp heads.

A friend of mine was complaining about buzzes with his reamp unit (he was using his during tracking but wanted to go through a Pultec INTO the amp). I brought over my Redeye and we swapped them out. It still buzzed when grounded, but when I hit the earth lift button on the redeye, it was quiet as a library. We couldn't figure this out so i got in touch Jonathan @ Little Labs and he broke it down for me. Hopefully I got this 100% accurate.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2004 6:23 pm    Post subject: Re: Reamping... call me dumb, but what is it? Reply with quote

reamping is one of my favorite tricks ever.
im allways trying to get the biggest roomy drum sounds -- but sometimes the room doesnt cooperate right with me.. ...

so i take the drum tracks... and run them into the room -- and i create a stereo image out of them thru a couple aux sends and amps or pa (depending on where i am)... .. and then try to find a way to create reverb this way... .. oh so much fun.. ..

i love this trick more than anything!
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