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hahha totally. When i saw the article mentioned on the cover i though ... "no way.. wow, awesome..." then read it and just laughed the whole time...cgarges wrote:It was poorly written and clearly not edited appropriately. There were grammatical errors and contradictions all over the place. That's what was technically wrong with it. Beyond that (and this is just personal preference), it was filled with ridiculous statements that anyone who's made recordings professionally within a number of generes for any kind of considerable period of time would find laughable. Couple that with this air of authority that the author has placed upon himself and it adds up to an article that I think sucks. Again, that's my personal opinion, but the poor authorship in terms of literary blunders is not.;ivlunsdystf wrote:What didn't you like? etc. So we can discuss something besides how you vaguely generally hated it.
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+2trodden wrote:hahha totally. When i saw the article mentioned on the cover i though ... "no way.. wow, awesome..." then read it and just laughed the whole time...cgarges wrote:It was poorly written and clearly not edited appropriately. There were grammatical errors and contradictions all over the place. That's what was technically wrong with it. Beyond that (and this is just personal preference), it was filled with ridiculous statements that anyone who's made recordings professionally within a number of generes for any kind of considerable period of time would find laughable. Couple that with this air of authority that the author has placed upon himself and it adds up to an article that I think sucks. Again, that's my personal opinion, but the poor authorship in terms of literary blunders is not.;ivlunsdystf wrote:What didn't you like? etc. So we can discuss something besides how you vaguely generally hated it.
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Very disappointed by that article. I've recorded quite a bit of DM, and got excited to learn some new tricks, but instead just got a little pissed, and learned nothing at all.
I'd like to see more articles focusing on heavy music in TO personally, but not like that one. There are some really great engineers recording brutal shit these days.
For example.... Kurt Ballou, of Converge fame, is doing some really cool recordings at his God City Studios that are worth attention. Not your typical sounding heavy records either. That'd be an article I'd like to read.
Or even Andy Sneap. I know he does the more modern sound, but he does it really fucking well.
Anyways... I still love you TapeOp.
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I'd also like to add, that it is really cool to see people on here talking about bands like Entombed, Napalm Death, and Carcass.
There's an epic thread here about recording "Heartwork" and some earlier Carcass stuff, straight from the engineer's recollections. (starts on page 2)
Amazing stuff.
There's an epic thread here about recording "Heartwork" and some earlier Carcass stuff, straight from the engineer's recollections. (starts on page 2)
Amazing stuff.
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I definitely wasn't offended by anything in it since, you know, it was an 'opinion' article and a very short one.
I wish more bands took Coffins' approach to recording but alas, most of them are cookie cutter, mall metal or some gross offspring of it and want to sound as 'in your face' as possible. The point of the short article was just some basic 101 on modern metal for engineers who don't get the greatest bands but enjoy making clients happy, letting them hear what they want to hear and as a result, getting repeat business. It's not a engineering model or anything.
If you happen to get a great band that doesn't need to do all the things he mentions, well...lucky you.
I wish more bands took Coffins' approach to recording but alas, most of them are cookie cutter, mall metal or some gross offspring of it and want to sound as 'in your face' as possible. The point of the short article was just some basic 101 on modern metal for engineers who don't get the greatest bands but enjoy making clients happy, letting them hear what they want to hear and as a result, getting repeat business. It's not a engineering model or anything.
If you happen to get a great band that doesn't need to do all the things he mentions, well...lucky you.
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Thanks. I'm glad someone saw it the same way I did. Now if someone would just use all those tips and record a jazz combo...
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agreedA National Acrobat wrote:I definitely wasn't offended by anything in it since, you know, it was an 'opinion' article and a very short one.
I wish more bands took Coffins' approach to recording but alas, most of them are cookie cutter, mall metal or some gross offspring of it and want to sound as 'in your face' as possible. The point of the short article was just some basic 101 on modern metal for engineers who don't get the greatest bands but enjoy making clients happy, letting them hear what they want to hear and as a result, getting repeat business. It's not a engineering model or anything.
If you happen to get a great band that doesn't need to do all the things he mentions, well...lucky you.
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good points indeed.InvalidInk wrote:agreedA National Acrobat wrote:I definitely wasn't offended by anything in it since, you know, it was an 'opinion' article and a very short one.
I wish more bands took Coffins' approach to recording but alas, most of them are cookie cutter, mall metal or some gross offspring of it and want to sound as 'in your face' as possible. The point of the short article was just some basic 101 on modern metal for engineers who don't get the greatest bands but enjoy making clients happy, letting them hear what they want to hear and as a result, getting repeat business. It's not a engineering model or anything.
If you happen to get a great band that doesn't need to do all the things he mentions, well...lucky you.
i love it when I get to put 808 hits on metal and doom records... i'm sure some people would have an different opinion on that...
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and today... did the autotune abuse effect thing (like cher, and all the hip hop and top forty stuff on the radio today) on a vocal track for a doom band... vocalist wanted to do two mixes one with that and one without.. she kept referring to it as the "lil Wayne" effect. it was truly awesome... never had done that before.
I loved the article.
The only thing I disagreed with was the statement that there are no keyboards in real death or black metal. If you took out the words "or black" it would be true (for all intensive purposes). But anyone who listens to black metal knows that all the "tr00" black metal bands were down with keyboards-- Burzum and Emperor being the most obvious examples.
I've been trying to get that Andy Sneap polish happening for quite some time now (more as an experiment than anything else). I found the article very helpful.
This is a very different style of music so, by its nature, it demands a radical approach to engineering if you strive for clarity.
It seemed like the article was aimed at the average Tape Op reader who probably does not listen to extreme metal. The people that hate on the article seem to be:
1. People who think metal is stupid in the first place.
2. Metalheads who thought it was too simplistic or obvious.
3. "Purists" who are opposed to triggers, samples, etc.
Whatever.
I can't tell you how refreshing it was to see the article in Tape Op. And I never thought I'd see Ulver's "Nattans Madrigal" mentioned on this forum! I commend them for running the article and I hope to see more extreme music covered in the magazine.
One thing I thought was funny was that, despite all the typos I've seen in the mag over the years, they corrected the spelling of "kvlt"!!!
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The only thing I disagreed with was the statement that there are no keyboards in real death or black metal. If you took out the words "or black" it would be true (for all intensive purposes). But anyone who listens to black metal knows that all the "tr00" black metal bands were down with keyboards-- Burzum and Emperor being the most obvious examples.
I've been trying to get that Andy Sneap polish happening for quite some time now (more as an experiment than anything else). I found the article very helpful.
This is a very different style of music so, by its nature, it demands a radical approach to engineering if you strive for clarity.
It seemed like the article was aimed at the average Tape Op reader who probably does not listen to extreme metal. The people that hate on the article seem to be:
1. People who think metal is stupid in the first place.
2. Metalheads who thought it was too simplistic or obvious.
3. "Purists" who are opposed to triggers, samples, etc.
Whatever.
I can't tell you how refreshing it was to see the article in Tape Op. And I never thought I'd see Ulver's "Nattans Madrigal" mentioned on this forum! I commend them for running the article and I hope to see more extreme music covered in the magazine.
One thing I thought was funny was that, despite all the typos I've seen in the mag over the years, they corrected the spelling of "kvlt"!!!
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