That's fine Jon, but again I will state, for the record, I have never said that it is, or isn't stealing. I have said, repeatedly, that it's a fact of every day life, we're stuck with it, and need to figure out how to make the best of what we've been handed. I'm happy that many musicians are figuring it out. It's positive.Jon Nolan wrote: alex -
we disagree. i think when someone downloads one of my songs for free when i did not intend for it to be free is stealing my song. you do not see it as stealing. i believe it is unethical, and therefore, lacking integrity.
this thread is starting to rent too much free space in my noggin, and so, i bid it adieu.
My experience is that the new models are helping bands.
I've asked you two questions:
-Specifically how has this hurt you? Are you guessing that you've lost $1000 or did you see a drop in sales?
-Now that this is part of modern life, what do we do? How do we deal with it?
I haven't seen an answer yet.
As I've read them, your posts have dealt entirely with morality. That's fine. I see your point, but I'll also add that morality is a subjective thing as the Culture Wars have proven. At the end of the day, all that matters is what do we do now? I doubt it can be stopped, right?
I haven't gotten an answer from you. No problem, you are free to not answer! However, please don't constantly flip into "[I'm] OK with stealing."
It's time for all of us to stop bitching about what's "wrong" and "right" and figure out how bands are going to survive in the new environment. Many are.
After all, the discussion is about getting paid.
No problem if you've bowed out, Jon, but I'm curious about other people's experiences if they would like to share.