Which Would You Use On Flr Tom?

oldguitars · Post by **oldguitars** » Tue Dec 23, 2008 10:55 am

How about tell the drummer to lose the 2nd rack tom and use that 421 on the floor. Does he REALLY need it?

nope...

rwc · Post by **rwc** » Tue Dec 23, 2008 11:10 am

oldguitars wrote:How about tell the drummer to lose the 2nd rack tom and use that 421 on the floor. Does he REALLY need it?

nope...

this is ridiculous,

the recording technique should never get in the way of the performance

why not just record it?

this is like an extension of the other thread. how is it an issue if the drummer wants 90 toms, if he can play well?

MoreSpaceEcho · Post by **MoreSpaceEcho** » Tue Dec 23, 2008 12:00 pm

yeah if i showed up at a studio and the engineer told me to lose one of my drums i would walk out.

Recycled_Brains · Post by **Recycled_Brains** » Tue Dec 23, 2008 12:10 pm

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say, neither.

Your side Glynn Johns mic will be adequate.

But, if you must, use a 57.

Ryan Silva · Post by **Ryan Silva** » Tue Dec 23, 2008 3:13 pm

MoreSpaceEcho wrote:hey brad i'm really not trying to be a jerk, although i'm sure i sound like one, but...

what is the point of asking a bunch of anonymous strangers (whose tastes you have no idea of) which mic to use in a certain situation, when none of us have any idea:
what kind of drum
what size
what heads are on it
how they're tuned
what the room is like
where the drums are in the room
how the drummer is hitting them
what style of music
what role the drums play in the arrangement
how you like things to sound
how the band likes things to sound
etc

and even if we DID know all that stuff, and you DID know what our tastes are, in the time it took to write the initial post and then check back to see if anyone replied you could've easily just put both mics on the drum, recorded a bit, and then made a choice based on how YOU felt they sounded on playback. just like a billion people did before they had the 'benefit' of teh interwebs.

I think there is a lot to learn from how different people?s opinions really are. I have asked similar questions and got some advice that I tried out, and then realized that when it came down to it, I gave a crap what others thought, because I would always just trust my ears in the end. However, I would have never thought of trying a SD condenser on a kick drum, but because of some crazy advice I got from asking a very similar question I found it to be very useful.

Sometimes these questions are just as useful for the 'Replier' as they are to the 'Poster' like: "Damn, how the hell can I explain this?"

Just saying that although certain questions get trite, they still serve a purpose.

oldguitars · Post by **oldguitars** » Tue Dec 23, 2008 5:11 pm

wow....

sarcasm can get lost in type.

although, as a drummer, I do hate 2 rack toms...

MoreSpaceEcho · Post by **MoreSpaceEcho** » Wed Dec 24, 2008 8:44 am

i do too

drumsound · Post by **drumsound** » Wed Dec 24, 2008 11:07 am

oldguitars wrote:wow....

sarcasm can get lost in type.

although, as a drummer, I do hate 2 rack toms...

I like 'em if they are off set so I can still have my ride where it it with one rack tom.

dynomike · Post by **dynomike** » Thu Dec 25, 2008 7:25 pm

i tend to like dynamics on the top and/or condensers on the bottom. i use AT 4040's on the bottom of toms whenever i have the extra channels. i'm sure you can make do with either on top though. i'd go for the RE20 out of the gate because it probably won't overdrive the input of your preamps though.

firesine · Post by **firesine** » Sat Dec 27, 2008 8:49 am

The best tom sound I have ever gotten was with Mojave MA100 on top and MD421s on the bottom. Most of the attack was captured by the Mojaves, and they sounded good on their own, but with the tonal reenforcement from the MD421s it sounded great. I understand "the best tom sound" is subjective but, for tom heavy rock music, this sounded good to my ears.

akg414 · Post by **akg414** » Sat Dec 27, 2008 8:58 am

This is what I did...

When we miked up the kit, I actually did ask him to remove some cymbals

(disclaimer - I asked, "are you going to use TWO china's AND a Zil-Bell")....

So anyway, we went with this -

Spaced Pair 414 for overheads - the Glyn Johns "side" mic was getting cluttered by the China...

RE20 on the HIGH rack tom (since it doesn't really have THAT much low end).
421 on rack 2
421 on Floor tom (nice!)
D12 on Kick
SM57 - NOT on the snare top - but on the bottom.
And my personal FAV - the 441 on the snare top.

Very happy - My kit sounds like BFD !!

I'll post some clips later today.

firesine · Post by **firesine** » Sat Dec 27, 2008 10:47 am

No room mics at all huh, what polar pattern were the 414's?

I'm interested to hear a sample.

drumsound · Post by **drumsound** » Sat Dec 27, 2008 11:23 am

firesine wrote:No room mics at all huh, what polar pattern were the 414's?

I'm interested to hear a sample.

What he said.

akg414 · Post by **akg414** » Sat Dec 27, 2008 12:30 pm

I moved the results moved to a separate post...

New post is:

http://messageboard.tapeop.com/viewtopi ... highlight=

firesine · Post by **firesine** » Sat Dec 27, 2008 12:59 pm

Cool, thanks putting all that up.

The placement of the kick mic is a little confusing to me. Mainly because the kick doesn't have the pointed sound I would look for, and it's not really looking at the beater. But maybe I'm just not hearing it in these rough mixes.

The OH's sound focused and clear. I do like the full, snary snare sound.

Overall it reminds me of Corrosion of Conformity drum sound, just not as upfront in the mix.

Good songs, kinda Iron Maiden-esque. Whats the band called?

Message Board

Which Would You Use On Flr Tom?

Who is online