Valverb

blixton · Post by **blixton** » Fri May 12, 2006 2:28 am

Valverb or AKG BX's? I know the AKG are delicate. Does the valverb sound thick? Not boingy and more plate? How does it sound? Any samples? Seems cool. Any other nice dense springs?

joel hamilton · Post by **joel hamilton** » Fri May 12, 2006 6:34 am

The valverb sounds great. "boingy" depends on what goes into a spring, IMO...

Valverb isnt as cool as a BX10 or 20, but certainly as cool if not cooler than a BX5...

blixton · Post by **blixton** » Fri May 12, 2006 12:06 pm

Define "isn't as cool"....What does the BX10 do that is so great. I know they are a risky purchase.

red cross · Post by **red cross** » Fri May 12, 2006 1:25 pm

As far as springs go, the Valverb is prob one of the best I've heard. It's a spring. Drums sound "boingy" through it. Vocals, guitars, bass, all good.

tiger vomitt · Post by **tiger vomitt** » Fri May 12, 2006 1:43 pm

it's great as a DI
i mean, not for stuff you dont totally want dripping in goo
but for everything else, yeahhhhh

a sansamp into a valverb is the best way to do DI guitar

Coco · Post by **Coco** » Mon May 15, 2006 1:11 pm

I've been trying to find a used one with no avail. I wanna try one too.

stapes · Post by **stapes** » Wed May 17, 2006 9:08 am

Valverb totally kicks ass. I wouldn't want to live without mine. I take it to other studios I work at, and have it normaled to one of my echo returns on my console. It's really great for a lot of vocals, but mostly when you want it kind of vintage sounding. I totally love it on guitars in the mix. It can do things that just having reverb on the amp can't do. Listen to www.myspace.com/theblackangels and you'll hear the valverb on the voice on "empire". I like the di on this unit too, but I don't really like sansamp into the valverb. Valverb into sansamp, now that's cooking with gas.

Erik Wofford

joel hamilton · Post by **joel hamilton** » Wed May 17, 2006 12:28 pm

blixton wrote:Define "isn't as cool"....What does the BX10 do that is so great. I know they are a risky purchase.

The BX10 or BX20 have a classic reverb sound that isnt just the "surf guitar" or cranked spring sound.

The BX20 has a sound not unlike a plate reverb in the "classic reverb" sense. Like you have heard them on a zillion recordings. Stuff like old R&B records, recorded and mixed somewhere that they didnt have a plate... they had a spring.

The other thing is that the BX20 is stereo. The BX series is a very rich reverb, not just "sproingy" the way the valverb can get on certain things.

I personally use an Intersound spring and a sound workshop spring on many of the mixes I do as an actual reverb, not just as a "weird old flavor" type of thing. The sound workshop especially. That thing can really make a vocal "glow" when combined with other FX like tape echo and maybe a lowpassesd digital verb of some sort.

blixton · Post by **blixton** » Thu May 18, 2006 10:33 am

The BX 10 sounds like a winner. Except the maintenance I hear is a nightmare. I couldn't find anything on that sound workshop spring.

blixton · Post by **blixton** » Thu May 18, 2006 10:38 am

Wonder what EMT 240's go for. They seem like the best of everything.

blixton · Post by **blixton** » Thu Jun 01, 2006 2:30 pm

So, would compression before the input of the spring on the aux input help circumvent the boingyness of the spring reverb.. ?? Perhaps with a bit of pre delay on top. I'm assuming its the percussive attack of a sound that gets those springs wobbling.

mysteriousmammal · Post by **mysteriousmammal** » Fri Jun 02, 2006 12:35 am

If you want a great analog verb, and can't afford a plate (or don't have the room), get a Demeter Realverb spring. Brand new, dependable, quiet, and they don't get boingy. I got mine for $400 used. Kicks major ass, and not just for "vintage" flavor.

blixton · Post by **blixton** » Fri Jun 02, 2006 12:39 am

The RV-1 Real Spring Reverb?

mysteriousmammal · Post by **mysteriousmammal** » Fri Jun 02, 2006 12:58 am

That's the one. The only drawback is you can't adjust the times, but you can use a gate on it to shorten it up if you want.

pulse_divider · Post by **pulse_divider** » Fri Jun 02, 2006 8:38 am

Just curious, why the references to the AKG BX units being "risky" and "a maintenance nightmare"?
I've had my BX-20 for 6 years now and it's not been a problem but maybe there's something I don't know about...

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