Beyerdynamic M160 vs. Coles 4038

inverseroom · Post by **inverseroom** » Wed May 31, 2006 2:44 pm

I paid a few dollars less than that at Full Compass...

tonewoods · Post by **tonewoods** » Wed May 31, 2006 2:48 pm

"The Coles provides the great rejection because of the Fig. 8 pattern. "

Could you elaborate on that a bit?

It seems instinctual to me that a cardiod over the drums is going to reject better than a figure-8, and that the figure-8 would grab a lot of sound coming from the ceiling above the kit....

But man, the results sure speak otherwise....

dwelle · Post by **dwelle** » Wed May 31, 2006 4:01 pm

figure 8 gives better off-axis rejection than cardioid or hypercardioid...

Russian Recording · Post by **Russian Recording** » Wed May 31, 2006 8:22 pm

a figure eight has a very tight pickup patter directly in front and directly behind it. Both the front and back lobes are significantly more directional than a cardiod microphone, which generaly has a pretty wide lobe in the front and picks up a lot from the sides. Overall, a figure of eight microphone has more rejection than a cardiod, in most circumstances.

mike

klangtone · Post by **klangtone** » Wed May 31, 2006 11:11 pm

Figure 8's also have a unique ability to reject sounds that originate from far away. By the time the sound wave gets to the mic, it is pretty much a planar wave. So the difference between the pressure exerted on the front of the diaphragm as compared to the back of the diaphragm is negligible. Therefore, very little sound is actually picked up because the diaphragm is more or less in equilibrium.

This is my best guess as to why that fellow was able to track guitar, bass, and drums together with very little bleed of the guitar and bass into his Coles drum OH. There was probably a good deal of distance between the drums and the guitar/bass cabs. As he said, though, the placement must be right. If one side of the mic is getting a big reflection off of something, you probably won't get quite as much rejection, for instance.

Roy

barrett · Post by **barrett** » Thu Jun 01, 2006 11:27 pm

just wondering why no one has mentioned the royere r-121 as an alternative?

Russian Recording · Post by **Russian Recording** » Fri Jun 02, 2006 6:11 am

barrett? are you barrett from IU barrett? if so, hey!

the R121 is a good mic, but I think the main reason it wasn't brought up is because the original post didn't inquire. nice mic though.

mike

barrett · Post by **barrett** » Fri Jun 02, 2006 10:28 am

No I'm Barrett from... Tx. The state not the school. But I do know an Engineer in Bloomington.

Russian Recording · Post by **Russian Recording** » Fri Jun 02, 2006 10:30 am

barrett wrote:No I'm Barrett from... Tx. The state not the school. But I do know an Engineer in Bloomington.

really? chances are i'd know him/her too. it's a small town.community.

no, i had friend barrett that moved from here upon graduating and moved to the texas area.

mike

Recycled_Brains · Post by **Recycled_Brains** » Fri Jun 02, 2006 3:46 pm

anyone have any audio samples where the beyers are used as overheads? i'm really considering a pair of these.

Russian Recording · Post by **Russian Recording** » Fri Jun 02, 2006 10:11 pm

Recycled_Brains wrote:anyone have any audio samples where the beyers are used as overheads? i'm really considering a pair of these.

"When the Levee Breaks" by Led Zeppelin

rodabod · Post by **rodabod** » Sat Jun 03, 2006 5:22 am

Russian Recording wrote:
Recycled_Brains wrote:anyone have any audio samples where the beyers are used as overheads? i'm really considering a pair of these.
"When the Levee Breaks" by Led Zeppelin

I thought they used 4038s for that?

I think I remember reading about them recording in a stairwell or something similar to get that reverb too....

??????? · Post by **???????** » Sat Jun 03, 2006 6:44 am

Russian Recording wrote:
Recycled_Brains wrote:anyone have any audio samples where the beyers are used as overheads? i'm really considering a pair of these.
"When the Levee Breaks" by Led Zeppelin

That's a deal-sealer if there ever was one.

tiger vomitt · Post by **tiger vomitt** » Sat Jun 03, 2006 11:17 am

rodabod wrote:
Russian Recording wrote:
Recycled_Brains wrote:anyone have any audio samples where the beyers are used as overheads? i'm really considering a pair of these.
"When the Levee Breaks" by Led Zeppelin
I thought they used 4038s for that?

I think I remember reading about them recording in a stairwell or something similar to get that reverb too....

they were m160's
in a castle i think?

ted dawg · Post by **ted dawg** » Sat Jun 03, 2006 1:37 pm

There were indeed M160's.(Tape No. 39 Jan/Feb '04)

Because I want the figure 8 pattern I will go with the M130s. Thanks to everyone for their input. Now feel free to discuss the Royers!

Ted.

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