Does analog mastering still exist?
Does analog mastering still exist?
Are there any recommended mastering studios out there where the music doesn't touch a computer at all?
I've been ruminating on this since I borrowed an album mastered by Jeff Lipton. A few years ago I read the feature in TapeOp profiling Lipton and his high-tech Peerless Mastering studio and I remember being impressed by his setup.
Then one of my students lent me an album mastered by him and my first impression was YUCK!! Of course the music was very compressed and not really my cup of tea (punk band The Unseen), but it made me curious if the old way of mastering is still practiced.
It also really irks me that I've put out vinyl that's pressed from a CD-R master. It's a burr under my saddle, man. Doesn't seem right...
I've been ruminating on this since I borrowed an album mastered by Jeff Lipton. A few years ago I read the feature in TapeOp profiling Lipton and his high-tech Peerless Mastering studio and I remember being impressed by his setup.
Then one of my students lent me an album mastered by him and my first impression was YUCK!! Of course the music was very compressed and not really my cup of tea (punk band The Unseen), but it made me curious if the old way of mastering is still practiced.
It also really irks me that I've put out vinyl that's pressed from a CD-R master. It's a burr under my saddle, man. Doesn't seem right...
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All real mastering houses are analog, but if it's sent to the house in a digital format, then it will usually have to go through a converter then through the analog chain and then to a masterlink. This could be digital, but could also be tape if you wanted it that way. It still has to go onto a disk eventually...and computers are better at burning disks than tape machines. By the way, the Unseen records all sound like shit.
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Brad Blackwood & crew at Euphonic still do "analog" mastering...or about as analog as it gets these days anyway.
Great stuff. Never had a bad swing with that guy.
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Great stuff. Never had a bad swing with that guy.
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There's still plenty of analog-chainers out there. I wouldn't give up my analog gear for all the 1's and 0's in China.
But if you're going to wind up with a digital production master, you're going to wind up with some digital gear at some point...
If you're shooting for vinyl, I don't know too many vinyl guys *with* digital gear in the chain (unless, of course, the mixes are in a digital format).
But if you're going to wind up with a digital production master, you're going to wind up with some digital gear at some point...
If you're shooting for vinyl, I don't know too many vinyl guys *with* digital gear in the chain (unless, of course, the mixes are in a digital format).
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FWIW, I am pretty certain Jeff Lipton has *plenty* of analog mastering gear.
Records can be wrecked by both digital and analog tools. It's all in the choices you make about how those tools are used. I've heard great-sounding records mastered entirely "in the box," and, of course, many where only analog outboard was used. Most MEs use a combination of both analog and digital (plugin or outboard) tools these days. Even Brad Blackwood uses a Waves L2 digital peak limiter.
I don't know what the factors are that went into that record sounding offensive to you, but it could be many, many things... perhaps the mixes came in overcompressed? Perhaps the band demanded that kind of sound? Perhaps levels were requested that the music could not sustain?
Regardless, it probably had little to do with a computer being involved. There's a computer involved in every CD master made today, if only for audio playback/capture at the bare minimum.
Records can be wrecked by both digital and analog tools. It's all in the choices you make about how those tools are used. I've heard great-sounding records mastered entirely "in the box," and, of course, many where only analog outboard was used. Most MEs use a combination of both analog and digital (plugin or outboard) tools these days. Even Brad Blackwood uses a Waves L2 digital peak limiter.
I don't know what the factors are that went into that record sounding offensive to you, but it could be many, many things... perhaps the mixes came in overcompressed? Perhaps the band demanded that kind of sound? Perhaps levels were requested that the music could not sustain?
Regardless, it probably had little to do with a computer being involved. There's a computer involved in every CD master made today, if only for audio playback/capture at the bare minimum.
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I don't think that an all-analog chain nessesarily will be any better than one that is hybrid, or even all digital. We're past that point now. Sure, sure, there's always going to be the debate, those who can hear a difference, or claim to, and so on. At the end of the day a competent ME will get the job done properly and to the client's wishes, using whatever tools they know, like, and use.
Like Carl said, it's very little to do with a computer being in the chain, but more what tools, who's using them, and how they use them that makes all the difference.
On that note, I seriously suspect Jeff was urged to smash the levels on that record by someone in the band or at the label - all in the name of 'being competitive' (search around for threads relating to volume/loudness and mastering for my and others' thoughts on this.)
Jeff has mastered a whole lot of records that I've recorded, and only if the client requests it does he willingly smash the crap outta stuff.
Left to his own devices, his masters are more about clarity, dynamics, openness, impact, resolution, bandwidth, and so on. In my experience, at least.
To the original question, yes, I'm sure there are a folks out there doing all-analog mastering (or at least up until it has to be converted to digital for CD.) I don't know of any that do it specifically, but many could, if they selected only certain pieces in their rooms and worked accordingly. (Jeff could, I bet, if coming off of analog tape, stay analog until the final A/D...)
Like Carl said, it's very little to do with a computer being in the chain, but more what tools, who's using them, and how they use them that makes all the difference.
On that note, I seriously suspect Jeff was urged to smash the levels on that record by someone in the band or at the label - all in the name of 'being competitive' (search around for threads relating to volume/loudness and mastering for my and others' thoughts on this.)
Jeff has mastered a whole lot of records that I've recorded, and only if the client requests it does he willingly smash the crap outta stuff.
Left to his own devices, his masters are more about clarity, dynamics, openness, impact, resolution, bandwidth, and so on. In my experience, at least.
To the original question, yes, I'm sure there are a folks out there doing all-analog mastering (or at least up until it has to be converted to digital for CD.) I don't know of any that do it specifically, but many could, if they selected only certain pieces in their rooms and worked accordingly. (Jeff could, I bet, if coming off of analog tape, stay analog until the final A/D...)
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JJ deserves props, too...
he took a duck in the face at two and hundred fifty knots.
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Yes, they both do. Two of the MEs I respect most.Mark Alan Miller wrote:JJ deserves props, too...
And they both use digital gear, too.
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If you want to go strait to laquer then look at SAE Mastering in Phoenix, Roger Saebel does a good job.
As for me when I master I usually do it in the analog domain. I think out of 1400plus releases only 5 or so have been all analog. One tape deck to another, On the otherside I think only 5 or so have stayed all digital. What does this mean? I do not know but most MEs use a hybrid approach and it works.
If you want to go to vinyl you could do the approach of tape to tape. It has worked for my clients in the past. But for the most part even if is going to Vinyl it has been digital at some point. Most of the time I am mastering to a tape deck from a digital master. Go figure.
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As for me when I master I usually do it in the analog domain. I think out of 1400plus releases only 5 or so have been all analog. One tape deck to another, On the otherside I think only 5 or so have stayed all digital. What does this mean? I do not know but most MEs use a hybrid approach and it works.
If you want to go to vinyl you could do the approach of tape to tape. It has worked for my clients in the past. But for the most part even if is going to Vinyl it has been digital at some point. Most of the time I am mastering to a tape deck from a digital master. Go figure.
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