First Impressions of the TOFT ATB - 16

trodden · Post by **trodden** » Wed May 02, 2007 10:07 am

permanent hearing damage wrote:
Red Rockets Glare wrote:
Hi Chris!
I had a 16-8-16 Soundtracs, check out my WWW below this post to see a pic. It's preamps were'nt anything like either the Trident 65 or the Sytek I've used in the past. They were more like a cheaper Soundcraft sounding preamp.
Hmmm, I was starting to get sold on this until I saw that. I used a Trident series 65 for a session last summer and it made me absolutely hate the pres on my Ghost and its lack of headroom in the master section. If the pres are no improvement over what I've got, I should probably find something else, huh?

I think he was referring to the soundtracs, not the toft.

Red Rockets Glare · Post by **Red Rockets Glare** » Wed May 02, 2007 10:21 am

trodden wrote:
permanent hearing damage wrote:
Red Rockets Glare wrote:
Hi Chris!
I had a 16-8-16 Soundtracs, check out my WWW below this post to see a pic. It's preamps were'nt anything like either the Trident 65 or the Sytek I've used in the past. They were more like a cheaper Soundcraft sounding preamp.
Hmmm, I was starting to get sold on this until I saw that. I used a Trident series 65 for a session last summer and it made me absolutely hate the pres on my Ghost and its lack of headroom in the master section. If the pres are no improvement over what I've got, I should probably find something else, huh?
I think he was referring to the soundtracs, not the toft.

Clearly

permanent hearing damage · Post by **permanent hearing damage** » Wed May 02, 2007 11:11 pm

my bad. that certainly changes things, then. especially after i had to remix something tonight due to the lack of headroom on my Ghost.

inverseroom · Post by **inverseroom** » Thu May 03, 2007 5:01 am

permanent hearing damage wrote:my bad. that certainly changes things, then. especially after i had to remix something tonight due to the lack of headroom on my Ghost.

You think that's bad, my ghost doesn't even have a head...

Red Rockets Glare · Post by **Red Rockets Glare** » Thu May 03, 2007 9:05 am

permanent hearing damage wrote:my bad. that certainly changes things, then. especially after i had to remix something tonight due to the lack of headroom on my Ghost.

What specific part of the Ghost do you find lacking in headroom?

The mic pre's, the buss, the aux's?

permanent hearing damage · Post by **permanent hearing damage** » Thu May 03, 2007 10:17 pm

the main outs, specifically. it was breaking up something awful on me yesterday. its never broken up so badly on me before, but this mix had a lot going on. this one section in the song specifically - a slower, loud, drone-y section, the guitars were just crackling as the lows swelled.

i've had the subs break up a little on me before, but nothing like this. maybe it just needs to be serviced? i dunno.

i just remember having the meters pinned on that series 65 and it sounded awesome.

Red Rockets Glare · Post by **Red Rockets Glare** » Fri May 04, 2007 8:15 am

permanent hearing damage wrote:the main outs, specifically. it was breaking up something awful on me yesterday. its never broken up so badly on me before, but this mix had a lot going on. this one section in the song specifically - a slower, loud, drone-y section, the guitars were just crackling as the lows swelled.

i've had the subs break up a little on me before, but nothing like this. maybe it just needs to be serviced? i dunno.

i just remember having the meters pinned on that series 65 and it sounded awesome.

Let me just start by saying I'm not a doctor, but....
That sounds to me like either you have an IC chip that has gone bad or your powersupply isn't getting the board the right voltage.
Or, and this is an outside chance, you could be having a +4/-10 issue.
I'd call a tech if I were you.

JohnDavisNYC · Post by **JohnDavisNYC** » Fri May 04, 2007 8:53 am

let me guess, individual levels coming out of your DAW are really hot? using 'all those bits'? either something is really wrong with your Ghost, or something is really wrong with your gain structure practice.... I have a ghost, and while the 2 buss gets a bit cloudy when pushed hard, I can't even manage to get mine to crackle.... just bussed some bassy-dub type material to all 8 busses, cranked them all, cranked all the lows and low mids on the channel EQ, and all I got was a nice round fuzz type saturation....

I would fine a tech to make sure the power supply is good...

another thought.... what are your monitors? does this happen in headphones too? Monitor outs only or Main 2tk outs too?

john

permanent hearing damage · Post by **permanent hearing damage** » Fri May 04, 2007 9:13 am

no DAW there - i have an ms-16.

it def needs some servicing - i had a resistor burn up in one channel making it unusable sometime ago, among other things. and my left channel on the main out loses about 1dB somewhere.

i don't hear it breaking up if i listen off the main outs. but coming back off my hhb burn it plus - is where i hear the distortion. i guess it could be distorting there, i have the input set to about 4. but i've never had an over reading - i have yet (*knocks wood*) in all my years to spike a cdr or dat.

monitors are tannoy active reveals.

Babaluma · Post by **Babaluma** » Thu May 24, 2007 5:15 am

website's been updated - some tasty shots! and an optional meter bridge!!!

http://www.toftaudiodesigns.com/atb.html

b3groover · Post by **b3groover** » Thu May 24, 2007 5:31 am

Wouldn't you like to be privy to this conversation?

charlievela · Post by **charlievela** » Thu May 24, 2007 9:21 am

b3groover wrote:Wouldn't you like to be privy to this conversation?

"...that's what I'm saying! The bolo tie is the ony way to go!"
"You've made a believer out of me sir."

trodden · Post by **trodden** » Thu May 24, 2007 9:30 am

I still really desire the 32 channel version..

I have to wait another ten years though when they're on the used market for cheaper.

then i could sell my soundtracs as "vintage", yep, that is the plan.

b3groover · Post by **b3groover** » Thu May 24, 2007 3:29 pm

For those that might not know, that's Malcolm Toft on the left and Rupert Neve on the right.

inverseroom · Post by **inverseroom** » Thu May 24, 2007 3:49 pm

darkflame wrote:website's been updated - some tasty shots! and an optional meter bridge!!!

http://www.toftaudiodesigns.com/atb.html

I can't find pics of the meter bridge...

Man, I would love the 16.

*waits for somebody to send him enormous amounts of money*

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