???Waters writes great lyrics but has weak music
prior to DSOTM, this statement is false.Fieryjack wrote:???Waters writes great lyrics but has weak music
Most of Floyd's songs were written by Waters (from "Green is the Colour, Cirrus Minor, Grantchester Meadows to The Wall....). The guy can write songs. Really.
indeed, who else is known for playing practically nothing but root notes and repetitive octave patterns?Fieryjack wrote:He's a good musician, too. Joe Boyd once said that his bass playing was the core foundation of Floyd's sound.
Or allowing session players to play his parts for him sans credit?RefD wrote:indeed, who else is known for playing practically nothing but root notes and repetitive octave patterns?Fieryjack wrote:He's a good musician, too. Joe Boyd once said that his bass playing was the core foundation of Floyd's sound.
)aside from drinking the 1980s Roger Waters Kool Aid, you haven't really read the album credits or done much research, have you?Fieryjack wrote:Okay, RefD...let's see what a weakling Waters was when it comes to writing music:
1983 (The Final Cut) 100% of music by Waters (yes, I think this is a great album)
1980 (The Wall). 100% of music written by Waters except for Comfortably Numb and Run Like Hell. That is 24 songs--not including the tracks that were thrown out.
1977 (Animals); Wrote music for ALL tracks except for one (Dogs)
1975 (Wish You Were Here) 100% of music for Welcome to the Machine, Have a Cigar, co wrote all others.
1973 (Dark Side of the Moon) Brain Damage, Money 100% of music. Co-wrote all others. DG contributed heavily with that Em/A progression on Breathe
Pre 1973 tracks by Waters:
Let there Be More Light (Saucerful)
Corporal Clegg (Saucerful)
Set the Controls for the Heart of the Sun (Saucerful)
If (Atom Heart Mother)
Green is the Colour (More)
The Nile Song (More)
The Crying Song (More)
Cymbaline (More)
A Spanish Piece (More...ooops, that was by Gilmour
Cirrus Minor (More)
Free Four (Obscured by Clouds)
Grantchester Meadows (Ummagumma)
With all due respect, it appears that Dave was more a contributor than a writer. Damn good guitar player and singer, I'll give you that. To suggest that he was a superior writer than Waters (for either words OR music) is laughable.
By the way, Waters wasn't the only one to allow others to play his parts sans credit.....Nick Mason did that too (Mother was played by Jeff Porcaro and Remember A Day was played by Norman Smith). Rick Wright....err, need I say more?
In the end, Gilmour made a mess out of what was left of PF.....it should have stopped at The Final Cut....
HAHAHA, totes!dwlb wrote:Or allowing session players to play his parts for him sans credit?RefD wrote:indeed, who else is known for playing practically nothing but root notes and repetitive octave patterns?Fieryjack wrote:He's a good musician, too. Joe Boyd once said that his bass playing was the core foundation of Floyd's sound.
I love Gilmour and think he's the best (for me). But I gotta agree here... To me, Floyd ended with the Wall. Final cut has some decent stuff, but this feels more like Waters' first solo album "featuring" Dave and Nick.Fieryjack wrote: Damn good guitar player and singer, I'll give you that. To suggest that he was a superior writer than Waters (for either words OR music) is laughable.
In the end, Gilmour made a mess out of what was left of PF.....it should have stopped at The Final Cut....
On two songs with odd time signatures: "Mother" and "Two Suns In The Sunset," the latter of which was Andy Newmark.RefD wrote:oh, and Mason was replaced by Poccarro at Roger Waters' insistence.
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