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Re: Tuning... and know-how

Post by kdarr » Thu Nov 01, 2007 4:07 pm

Signalflow wrote:There's nothing quite like recording a drummer who really, and I mean REALLY, knows how to tune their kit. I worked with a drummer this morning who may have had some of the best sounding toms I've ever heard. Now if only I could work with Glenn Kotche......
I just had the opposite of this experience at a live sound gig. Ugh. Awful little cocktail kit tuned waaaay too high. The toms were all BOING BOING BOING.

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Post by majortom » Thu Nov 01, 2007 5:36 pm

Just for the record, my experience has been that when you finally get some well made drums there is no comparison on how easy they tune and hold their tunning.

When I got my Noble&Cooley snare it was like the skies opened and the sun came out...true bearing edges, great hardware etc...makes tuning much easier, cause sometimes it IS the drums. Tom

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Post by msmith » Thu Nov 01, 2007 5:51 pm

Its really like everything else in this business... When you have a good player, and a good well tuned kit, you almost have to try to make it sound bad. No amount of eq can make a poorly tuned tom(minor seconds or some crap) sound good...

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Post by 2121TrumbullAve » Mon Nov 05, 2007 2:42 pm

a great song can cause out of tune drums to go unnoticed...
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Post by drumsound » Mon Nov 05, 2007 2:50 pm

2121TrumbullAve wrote:a great song can cause out of tune drums to go unnoticed...
Yes, but a great song with nicely tuned (and played) drums can make a great record

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Post by 2121TrumbullAve » Mon Nov 05, 2007 7:23 pm

that implies that a record cannot be great unless it has well tuned drums.

gonna have to disagree there.
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Post by drumsound » Mon Nov 05, 2007 7:45 pm

2121TrumbullAve wrote:that implies that a record cannot be great unless it has well tuned drums.

gonna have to disagree there.
Not at all, but your post implied that drum tone doesn't matter...

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Post by 2121TrumbullAve » Mon Nov 05, 2007 8:05 pm

if the song is great , the drum tone does not matter, yes, correct. The song will prevail & transcend the shittiness of the drums - privided they are played skillfully.

we technicians lose grasp of the layman responses to music, it seems.

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Post by apropos of nothing » Mon Nov 05, 2007 8:15 pm

And then there's Steely Dan who lays waste to all of this by having well-recorded drums, tastefully played, and still managed to suck bigtime.

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Post by C_R_J » Mon Nov 12, 2007 6:24 pm

i second that. i have never found steely dan anything but fuckin annoying...
time is money and im wasting both...

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Post by JohnDavisNYC » Mon Nov 12, 2007 6:42 pm

i hate steely dan, except for the guitar on 'reelin in the years'....

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Post by Jeff White » Mon Nov 12, 2007 6:58 pm

:cry: But I really love The Royal Scam. :cry:
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Post by stoneman » Mon Nov 12, 2007 8:52 pm

why you gotta start haterizing on the steely dan?

you gonna mess with the purdy shuffle or the two nerdy weirdos who helped sing me thru my first bottle of cuervo gold after the 6th grade dance which led me soon after to the first time i puked in my friends fireplace?

"pop music" with b5's and major 7's everywhere, bizarre lyrics, hell, they even sneak michael mcfuckingdonald onto 11 tracks of "peg" and it sounds cool (almost) and that wouldn't be easy for any band ever. someone back me up that its pretty interesting music --even if it does remind me of the seventies and my moms boyfriend wearing gold chains and driving camaros while smoking cigs in traffic....ok now i hate em too. my issues have issues

so...how do i tune the drums?

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Post by C_R_J » Mon Nov 12, 2007 8:57 pm

i have been playin for 10 years, and i still have problems gettin my bass drum sounding how i like it. i just f ed with mine for over a hour, and im still not happy...
time is money and im wasting both...

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Post by drumsound » Mon Nov 12, 2007 11:20 pm

C_R_J wrote:i have been playin for 10 years, and i still have problems gettin my bass drum sounding how i like it. i just f ed with mine for over a hour, and im still not happy...
Bass drums are such a bitch! I'm constantly fucking with mine and each one I record, up to and including at the mastering session.

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