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Re: wow so here's what i learned tonight!

Post by Jeremy Garber » Sat Dec 08, 2007 8:14 pm

This is my preemptive reply- meaning I have not yet read all the replies but I will. This is my reply to the initial post.
versuviusx wrote:i can't say that i've really gotten really good recipies to try out.
It's interesting that you make the analogy with a recipe. I worked as a cook for ten years, and still enjoy cooking good meals at home for my wife and sometimes for my friends. I have tried many times to write recipes for the things that I cook, but every time I cook these things the recipes vary slightly. The reason is because I cook to taste. I enjoy trying new things when I cook the same dishes. I'm always looking for ways to make it better, or maybe just different. If I'm about to cook something that I haven't done before, I do a Google search and scan the first couple of pages of results. I really pay no mind to quantities in other people's recipes. More importantly, I look at their ingredients- the flavors. I choose the amounts to my taste, and what caters to the dish at hand.

I think this is very important. When I mix, I don't call up the same presets from the last song. I might set up similar chains, but the details vary depending on the track I'm working on and the song as a whole. I may listen to music that is similar to what I am working on, try to figure out what is going on in their mix, and incorporate it into mine... but still, I mix to taste.

I've gotten more ideas from Tape Op mag and this forum than any other source I've probed for information. You ask where are the masters with their secrets on this forum? For me, there are a handful of posters who always make me stop and read what they have posted. I get plenty of ideas from the average poster here, but those certain few always make me stop and pay attention. I don't need them to draw out detail for detail... just the little bit they hint at is enough to get me experimenting on my own, and to think in ways I haven't thought before.

I do lots of reading on this board. I do searches, and many times my searches will spawn more searches. I picked up two great tips recently from this board that I'm using in my current mix. The first being proper gain staging when using analog pres and a DAW. It may seem obvious, but I always thought you were supposed to track rather hot into the DAW. On this current recording, I backed off a bit and wow it really has made a difference. There is a guideline for what dbfs to hit the DAW with, but setting the pre's dbvu varies from pre to pre, and also varies depending on what type of sound you want from the pre. That is only learned from experimenting with specific pres. The other tip I picked up was aligning drum tracks to the OH(s). I set up a couple delays and experimented with the drums solo'd and wow, I do hear a difference. Again, there aren't specific delay settings there because it will depend on how far away the mics are from the source, and what effect you want it to sound like in the end. There's no definite right answer.

Frankly, I don't want anyone to spell out exactly what it is they do. Part of my enjoyment of recording is doing this experimentation... learning what my gear and what my room(s) can offer me. It's like being told the end of the story when you haven't read the book yet.

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Post by RefD » Sat Dec 08, 2007 8:54 pm

if recording = cooking then sources = ingredients

and both source material and ingredients can vary wildly, so a recipe is at best merely a point of departure...so sometimes the recipe won't work for what you wanted to cook/accomplish.

also, everyone has a different idea of what sounds/tastes good.

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Post by philbo » Sun Dec 09, 2007 8:10 am

Let me get this right - - this guy was mixing FOH for the band while telling you all this stuff??? When did he have any time to do his job? And how could he possibly do it well if he was so busy being your guru?

IMHO, it is good to beware people who know 'the secrets' because there aren't any.

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Post by i am monster face » Sun Dec 09, 2007 8:50 am

Why must we refer to it as a "recipe"? Why can't we call it a "mix"?

I don't cook and my most advanced culinary technique is adding sriracha to velveeta shells and cheese. I am much better at mixing than I am at cooking.

But these have been a fun four pages to read.
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Post by MoreSpaceEcho » Sun Dec 09, 2007 10:06 am

my most advanced culinary technique involves a precise blend of milk and cap'n crunch.

so uh where the hell did versuviusx go? he's either abandoned his own thread or he actually has a life.

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Post by RefD » Sun Dec 09, 2007 11:12 am

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Post by JGriffin » Sun Dec 09, 2007 10:18 pm

Scodiddly wrote: if you've got about 10 frequency bands pulled down then it's time to start over.
Wow, amen, I see that in clubs all the damn time. And t's like, dude, all you've done here is fuck up your gain structure, and this room is one squeal of guitar feedback away from finding another frequency to feed back at.


Thanks much for your expanded post above, btw. Some very cool stuff there, I especially will find the 1k guideline for monitors v. mains helpful in the future!
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Post by Scodiddly » Mon Dec 10, 2007 5:05 am

RefD wrote:Image
Joy of Cooking is pretty cool - the recipes are maybe a bit overly complicated, but there are a lot of theory sections on various types of food.

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Post by Soundmonkey » Mon Dec 10, 2007 5:44 pm

Scodiddly wrote: Joy of Cooking is pretty cool - the recipes are maybe a bit overly complicated, but there are a lot of theory sections on various types of food.
It's all about the old version. In the newer one they took out the section on dressing squirrel. I like having both around.

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Post by wedge » Mon Dec 10, 2007 9:51 pm

Soundmonkey wrote:
Scodiddly wrote:they took out the section on dressing squirrel. I like having both around.
This is how I like to dress my squirrels...

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Post by RefD » Mon Dec 10, 2007 10:00 pm

Soundmonkey wrote:
Scodiddly wrote: Joy of Cooking is pretty cool - the recipes are maybe a bit overly complicated, but there are a lot of theory sections on various types of food.
It's all about the old version. In the newer one they took out the section on dressing squirrel. I like having both around.

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my mom has the 1960 version with all that stuff intact, but the dust jacket has been missing since i drew on it with crayons in 1972. :oops:
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Post by Soundmonkey » Tue Dec 11, 2007 2:27 am

RefD wrote:
Soundmonkey wrote:
Scodiddly wrote: Joy of Cooking is pretty cool - the recipes are maybe a bit overly complicated, but there are a lot of theory sections on various types of food.
It's all about the old version. In the newer one they took out the section on dressing squirrel. I like having both around.
my mom has the 1960 version with all that stuff intact, but the dust jacket has been missing since i drew on it with crayons in 1972. :oops:

Mine's from 58 I think. I bought it at a used bookstore because my mom wouldn't give me hers. Sometimes you just want a recipe that has lard in it.

For those of you who haven't had the pleasure:
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What was this thread about again?

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Post by RefD » Tue Dec 11, 2007 2:29 am

Soundmonkey wrote:What was this thread about again?
what to do for breakfast.
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Post by MoreSpaceEcho » Tue Dec 11, 2007 7:04 am

wow that illustration is...um...really something.

*walks calmly out of thread, barfs*

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Post by RoyMatthews » Tue Dec 11, 2007 7:11 am

Unfortunately, that illustration represents how I mix. :(
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