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glyn/ethan johns setup pics

Post by cjac9 » Wed Feb 13, 2008 12:40 pm

Hey I just found these and they really helped me out in seeing how this setup is actually done. I'd seen a diagram before and it didn't make as much sense. So for you visual folks here you go... scroll through to see the drum pics.

http://www.threecrowsmusic.com/ray_studio.htm

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Post by JoshT » Wed Feb 13, 2008 12:55 pm

That pic always confused me, actually. I figured the ldc was being used as a tom mic, and that the coles is a mono oh.

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Post by cjac9 » Wed Feb 13, 2008 1:52 pm

Good point. I think that is right though. Wonder what he is using on the kick...

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Post by helmuth » Wed Feb 13, 2008 2:41 pm

Matthew engineered that album so perhaps he'll chip in.

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Post by helmuth » Wed Feb 13, 2008 2:53 pm

Hope he doesn't mind me quoting him.
drums were done the same way on the last record.

3 mics

Coles over the snare,about three feet above the centre of it.

coles by the floor tom,looking at the centre of the snare,same distance from the centre of the snare as the one over the top.

AKG D112 on the bass drum....about a foor back from it,dead centre....

top and side mics into UA 610 pre's then direct to tape.bass drum into a Neve mic pre,then direct to tape......

top and bass drum mic in the centre tom mic panned hard left............the end.

oh yeah, Ethan got this technique from his dad.he is also a fucking amazing drummer,with a great sounding kit,in a great sounding room.....that's really what the bulk of the sound is........

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Post by chuckfurok » Wed Feb 13, 2008 3:10 pm

so what's up with the md421 on the floor tom then?

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Post by C_R_J » Wed Feb 13, 2008 4:59 pm

im guessin the floor tom mic was put there strictly to confuse us ;)

its probably not even on... ha!

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Post by Recycled_Brains » Thu Feb 14, 2008 6:40 am

chuckfurok wrote:so what's up with the md421 on the floor tom then?
maybe there were songs where it needed added emphasis?

i just tried this setup for the first time at my apt. over the weekend, and really liked it. had the panning wrong though, so i'm glad i read this.

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Post by JustinHedrick » Thu Feb 14, 2008 1:58 pm

ok, so i have read the explanation/ seen the pictures of the kit.

I just have 1 question:

the mic above the floor tom, is it pointing at the floor tom, or at the snare? because in the photo it shows it pointing down like a normal overhead. . .
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Post by tateeskew » Thu Feb 14, 2008 9:12 pm

it's quite obvious that the mic above the tom is there to mic the beards.

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Post by watergunfight » Thu Feb 14, 2008 11:47 pm

formzero wrote:it's quite obvious that the mic above the tom is there to mic the beards.
wouldnt the beards be out of phase if youre following the 3 to 1 rule?

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Post by oldguitars » Fri Feb 15, 2008 4:19 am

watergunfight wrote:
formzero wrote:it's quite obvious that the mic above the tom is there to mic the beards.
wouldnt the beards be out of phase if youre following the 3 to 1 rule?

Actually, Blue just came out with a specialty mic just for these situations. It is called the "Bluebeard" and it apparently will pick up every follicle and lice.
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Post by I'm Painting Again » Fri Feb 15, 2008 5:18 am

When I was up at that sudio Matthew was telling me the real trick in that drum sound is the way Ethan had tuned the kit..like his dad he spent quite some time getting it to sound the way he wanted before the mics even went up..

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Post by oldguitars » Fri Feb 15, 2008 5:52 am

Beauty&Wonder wrote:When I was up at that sudio Matthew was telling me the real trick in that drum sound is the way Ethan had tuned the kit..like his dad he spent quite some time getting it to sound the way he wanted before the mics even went up..
yep. I have done a couple of sessions with Ethan, and he is all about "capture". Good drummer, appropriate good sounding drums are the first step.
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Post by JustinHedrick » Fri Feb 15, 2008 6:20 am

now, would that mic technique work on a vandyke beard as well? would you have to hi-pass it to work on a handlebar moustache??

god, this could go on forever.
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