Reverb plugin or SPX-90?
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Reverb plugin or SPX-90?
I've got an Yamaha SPX-90II digital reverb but running Pro tools.Would it be better to use a reverb plugin or run the signal out to the SPX-90 and back in to the DAW?
The plugin is obviously much easier to use but are there advantages to using the SPX?
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The plugin is obviously much easier to use but are there advantages to using the SPX?
Thanks
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whereas i prefer many hardware reverbs, even cheapish and old verbs, to plugins.jessemesasavage wrote:Is this a trick question? Next to modern convolution/emulation/infinitely tweakable reverb plug-ins that old Yamaha is basically a doorstop. The only practical use would be if you were using it FOR its limitations instead of in spite of them.
sometimes it is nice to run a couple of hardware verbs in series.
"convolution/emulation/infinitely tweakable" doesn't always (or even often) translate to characterful and good sounding to my ears.
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Kevin Shields (of My Bloody Valentine) used a lot of doorstops- very limited, boring reverb effectsjessemesasavage wrote:Is this a trick question? Next to modern convolution/emulation/infinitely tweakable reverb plug-ins that old Yamaha is basically a doorstop. The only practical use would be if you were using it FOR its limitations instead of in spite of them.
If you look at it technically, there is no limit to the advantages of the plug in - especially recall. You open the session and bam everything is just how you left it.
However, I love hardware boxes because they sound different, they have limitations and as more and more people start using the same reverb plug ins, the old boxes are cheap and offer an alternative sound.
It really depends on the sound. If you find a sound in the Yamaha that works for the song, definitely use it! It's certainly worth the five minutes to patch up and run through some settings to see if anything works.
However, I love hardware boxes because they sound different, they have limitations and as more and more people start using the same reverb plug ins, the old boxes are cheap and offer an alternative sound.
It really depends on the sound. If you find a sound in the Yamaha that works for the song, definitely use it! It's certainly worth the five minutes to patch up and run through some settings to see if anything works.
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amen!T-rex wrote:It's certainly worth the five minutes to patch up and run through some settings to see if anything works.
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Unfortunately I don't have any of the expensive convolution reverbs. Just the D-verb that came with my PT LE system. It sound pretty good unless you over do it. I'll probably sell the Yamaha and dig up another reverb plugin. It's just more convenient.jessemesasavage wrote:Is this a trick question? Next to modern convolution/emulation/infinitely tweakable reverb plug-ins that old Yamaha is basically a doorstop. The only practical use would be if you were using it FOR its limitations instead of in spite of them.
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Use both?
I use reverb in PT as well as a SPX 90 I, LXP-5, REV 7, and holier grail as well. Those doorstops are fun! However, i'm mixing out of the computer through a console so i don't have to worry as much about latency when you go out, through an effect, and go back in, which sounds like what you may be doing?
I use reverb in PT as well as a SPX 90 I, LXP-5, REV 7, and holier grail as well. Those doorstops are fun! However, i'm mixing out of the computer through a console so i don't have to worry as much about latency when you go out, through an effect, and go back in, which sounds like what you may be doing?
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the old quadraverbs, SPX90's TC's etc tend to have a lot more params to tweak than the software verbs. Its pretty annoying actually. You have this great sounding VST reverb but it only gives you a couple sliders to fiddle with. Nothing under the hood like you had with those ugly black boxes from the ole days.
I used to really revel in making the SPX90 or the Quadraverb sound absurd. chaining together a pitch shift with modulation and a resonator in front of "plate". Using a midi controller to mess with the "note" of the resonator while it plays.
But then the software reverbs are the whole reason I went over to the DAW world. I was floored that software that cost less than a quarter of my hardware boxes was so clear and smooth souding. Well that and you arent stuck with the FX boxes converters when you use FX in the DAW.
But on the other, other hand, NOTHING I have found comes close to my effectron II. And thats a silly simple delay.
I used to really revel in making the SPX90 or the Quadraverb sound absurd. chaining together a pitch shift with modulation and a resonator in front of "plate". Using a midi controller to mess with the "note" of the resonator while it plays.
But then the software reverbs are the whole reason I went over to the DAW world. I was floored that software that cost less than a quarter of my hardware boxes was so clear and smooth souding. Well that and you arent stuck with the FX boxes converters when you use FX in the DAW.
But on the other, other hand, NOTHING I have found comes close to my effectron II. And thats a silly simple delay.
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