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Post by Nick Sevilla » Sat May 31, 2008 3:43 pm

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noeqplease wrote:Actually, recording onto a new track is not a workaround. It is BETTER than bouncing. I have used this method for years. I do not use the bounce feature. Ever.
How do you usually turn dual mono 24-bit wave files (left and right) into stereo interleaved 44.1/16 or MP3 or whatever?

That's why I bounce.
After the new file is done, I export it (not bounce) it into the desired format.

You know, the command is : shift+apple+k. You get a dialogue to select what audio format. Done in faster than realtime too.
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Post by Spindrift » Mon Jun 02, 2008 7:18 am

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Bouncing and recording to a new audio track yield identical waveforms, there is no audio difference between the two methods.
I was once at a three day Digidesign event where they had various seminars. In one of them someone from Digi was discussing the phenomenon of the bounce not sounding as good as things had in playback. He stated that he had been told by some Digi programmers that the math used in summing to a bounce is different than the math used in summing for playback. The suggested workaround was to bus the mix to a new audio track and record it. Apparently, this will sound better.

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Post by Jon~T » Mon Jun 02, 2008 10:54 am

Spindrift wrote:
Aquaman wrote:
Bouncing and recording to a new audio track yield identical waveforms, there is no audio difference between the two methods.
I was once at a three day Digidesign event where they had various seminars. In one of them someone from Digi was discussing the phenomenon of the bounce not sounding as good as things had in playback. He stated that he had been told by some Digi programmers that the math used in summing to a bounce is different than the math used in summing for playback. The suggested workaround was to bus the mix to a new audio track and record it. Apparently, this will sound better.

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If the cpu usage is really high in the session, the rumor is that automation and MIDI will not be as accurate when using bounce to disk.

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Post by Nick Sevilla » Tue Jun 03, 2008 9:35 am

Spindrift wrote:
Aquaman wrote:
Bouncing and recording to a new audio track yield identical waveforms, there is no audio difference between the two methods.
I was once at a three day Digidesign event where they had various seminars. In one of them someone from Digi was discussing the phenomenon of the bounce not sounding as good as things had in playback. He stated that he had been told by some Digi programmers that the math used in summing to a bounce is different than the math used in summing for playback. The suggested workaround was to bus the mix to a new audio track and record it. Apparently, this will sound better.

adam
I can confirm this. I was told the same thing by both a Digi tech guy, and a good friend of mine who makes big records.

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Post by lotusstudio » Sun Aug 03, 2008 10:10 am

Well, huh.
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Post by Aquaman » Sun Aug 03, 2008 10:22 am

I can confirm this. I was told the same thing by both a Digi tech guy, and a good friend of mine who makes big records.
My direct experience (inspired by many, many similar discussions) is that this is not true. I've bounced and bussed mixes on LE and HD systems, and compared the resulting waveforms. They cancel absolutely on a phase flip. This is also Digi's official position (citation needed).

If someone has DIRECT experience with this not being the case, I'd love to hear about it. No hearsay, please.

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Post by GooberNumber9 » Wed Aug 06, 2008 7:26 pm

Just perfomed the bounce comparison on PTLE 7.3.1 and I couldn't detect a difference between bounce to disk and recording to a new track. This was a fairly full mix with drums, bass, acoustics and electrics, vocals and keys.

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Post by Nick Sevilla » Tue Aug 12, 2008 8:48 am

GooberNumber9 wrote:Just perfomed the bounce comparison on PTLE 7.3.1 and I couldn't detect a difference between bounce to disk and recording to a new track. This was a fairly full mix with drums, bass, acoustics and electrics, vocals and keys.
Sorry... we're talking about their TDM system. This one does do the math differently.

On the Le system it is the same.

I will be purchasing a TDM HD system in the next month or so, and will be keeping my LE system around.

I'll do some tests. And then post them. Promise. oh, and NOT on Myspace, nor mp3 resolution. At CD resolution.

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Post by GooberNumber9 » Tue Aug 12, 2008 12:52 pm

noeqplease wrote:Sorry... we're talking about their TDM system. This one does do the math differently.

On the Le system it is the same.
Aha! This might explain conflicting information posted in another thread.

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