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Post by trodden » Thu Jun 05, 2008 1:33 pm

cgarges wrote:That's pretty much it. I mean, you could use tape to hold it in place or maybe get lucky enough to work some combination of mic clip tension and "erector set" adjustment on the bar pieces, but that's it.

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ahahah gaff tape is what i'm using on the crappy onstage stands... and plumbers tape is what i'm using since the threads on one them doesn't "fit" any of my clips...

wow.

how to build a better stereo bar..

I should have become a machinist/engineer.

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Post by locosoundman » Thu Jun 05, 2008 2:18 pm

The Sabra stereo bar is a pain in the ass because there's no way to secure the angle of the mics
This is not true - at the base of each threaded rod is a threaded ring which can be used to secure the mic clip at whatever angle you wish. I have used the Sabra bar with Schoeps CMC64's for years to do XY or ORTF.

The cheaper OnStage small T-Bar works fine for the Octava's both in XY and ORTF.

You have to be sure that you have the friction between the ring and the clip tight enough to hold or else your mic's will move. It ain't the Schoeps bar, but you get what you pay for.

The key is using a thread adapter to get the height offset.
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Post by cgarges » Thu Jun 05, 2008 2:28 pm

That's the thing. That "security ring" is at the bottom of the European threads. I guess you could use it if you have the thread adapters securely screwed inside the mic clips, but that's still a super pain in the ass if you ever have to use those clips on an American standard mic stand.

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Post by trodden » Thu Jun 05, 2008 2:38 pm

locosoundman wrote: The cheaper OnStage small T-Bar works fine for the Octava's both in XY and ORTF.
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trodden wrote: ahahah gaff tape is what i'm using on the crappy onstage stands... and plumbers tape is what i'm using since the threads on one them doesn't "fit" any of my clips...
I'm trying to find one that actually works without the tape. my onstage T-bar is horrid.

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Post by trodden » Thu Jun 05, 2008 2:39 pm

cgarges wrote:That's the thing. That "security ring" is at the bottom of the European threads. I guess you could use it if you have the thread adapters securely screwed inside the mic clips, but that's still a super pain in the ass if you ever have to use those clips on an American standard mic stand.

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do the thread adapters between euro and merica come with the stand at least?

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Post by cgarges » Thu Jun 05, 2008 2:44 pm

Yes. Here's how it works:

Part that sits on T-bar= Euro thread with big ring-type bolt.
American threaded mic clip adapter sits on top of Euro thread with bolt below it.
Mic clip fits on top of that.

I suppose that whole situation would be less of a pain for me if I just got an extra pair of MC012 clips and glued the Euro adapters into them and used those clips for just that stereo bar. Still seems silly to me from a a design standpoint, but a lot of things do.

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Post by @?,*???&? » Thu Jun 05, 2008 5:02 pm

Do it the easy way-

Make your own.

Drill out a yardstick to fit on a mic stand.

Use a protractor to get the angles right (no pun intended).

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Post by locosoundman » Thu Jun 05, 2008 9:16 pm

do the thread adapters between euro and merica come with the stand at least?
The Sabra T-Bars I own came with the necessary adapters.
These adapters also usually come with the mic's/mic clips/shockmounts.
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Post by trodden » Thu Jun 05, 2008 9:23 pm

locosoundman wrote:
do the thread adapters between euro and merica come with the stand at least?
The Sabra T-Bars I own came with the necessary adapters.
These adapters also usually come with the mic's/mic clips/shockmounts.
are these "adapter" things the threaded thing that is stuck in one of my 421 clips? making me have to use that mic clip only on the piece of crap apex stand it came unthreaded from? hate that, cant figure out how to get it out...

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Post by trodden » Thu Jun 05, 2008 9:28 pm

trodden wrote:
locosoundman wrote:
do the thread adapters between euro and merica come with the stand at least?
The Sabra T-Bars I own came with the necessary adapters.
These adapters also usually come with the mic's/mic clips/shockmounts.
are these "adapter" things the threaded thing that is stuck in one of my 421 clips? making me have to use that mic clip only on the piece of crap apex stand it came unthreaded from? hate that, cant figure out how to get it out...
yeah this it the thing stuck in the 421 cilip, MINUS the gnurled grippy edge... that would have stopped it from getting stuck in there..


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Post by RefD » Thu Jun 05, 2008 9:52 pm

is there a hole in the other end?

wrap a bit of grip tape on a pair of needle-nose pliers and spread them inside for a grip and start turning?

might have to re-tape a few times.
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Post by Huntlabs » Fri Jun 06, 2008 7:07 am

http://www.zzounds.com/item--KMS2351

I've been happy with this one. I've used it with some large mics and it does just fine.
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Post by trodden » Fri Jun 06, 2008 9:59 am

RefD wrote:is there a hole in the other end?

wrap a bit of grip tape on a pair of needle-nose pliers and spread them inside for a grip and start turning?

might have to re-tape a few times.
oooooh! great idea!!

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Post by RefD » Fri Jun 06, 2008 4:27 pm

trodden wrote:
RefD wrote:is there a hole in the other end?

wrap a bit of grip tape on a pair of needle-nose pliers and spread them inside for a grip and start turning?

might have to re-tape a few times.
oooooh! great idea!!
i'm hoping it does the trick for you, let me know how it works out!

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more expensive stereo bars?

Post by cjac9 » Thu Oct 16, 2008 4:08 pm

Has anyone tried more expensive models such as:

-AEA Stereo Microphone Positioner

-B&K CXY4000

-any of the Schoeps stuff

Curious to see what you guys think.

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