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Post by AstroDan » Thu Aug 14, 2008 5:00 pm

superaction80 wrote:So, which ska revival were you referencing? I was hoping it was the 80's brit revival, not the 90's "let's-do-ironic-New-Wave-covers" one.
He totally meant the Reel Big Fish "Take On Me" era.
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Post by Jay Reynolds » Thu Aug 14, 2008 5:09 pm

AstroDan wrote:
superaction80 wrote:So, which ska revival were you referencing? I was hoping it was the 80's brit revival, not the 90's "let's-do-ironic-New-Wave-covers" one.
He totally meant the Reel Big Fish "Take On Me" era.
Dammit! I was hoping it was the Madness "One Step Beyond" era. Less impactful, much cooler.
Wait...
How the hell do you know? You managing Electrical Audio South for him?




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Really, I'm just salty he didn't get pissed about the All Card Gambling thing. Sheesh. Who's passtime does a guy have to insult to get a response around here?
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Post by JGriffin » Thu Aug 14, 2008 5:26 pm

superaction80 wrote:
AstroDan wrote:
superaction80 wrote:So, which ska revival were you referencing? I was hoping it was the 80's brit revival, not the 90's "let's-do-ironic-New-Wave-covers" one.
He totally meant the Reel Big Fish "Take On Me" era.
Dammit! I was hoping it was the Madness "One Step Beyond" era. Less impactful, much cooler.
There was another, smaller one about 5 years after the Madness one.


According to my calendar we're due for another one.
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Post by RoyMatthews » Thu Aug 14, 2008 5:35 pm

dwlb wrote:
According to my calendar we're due for another one.
Good 'cause I've done my fair share of ska and I could use the work!
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Post by Jay Reynolds » Thu Aug 14, 2008 5:37 pm

dwlb wrote:
According to my calendar we're due for another one.
Quick, somebody notify the Toasters!
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Post by SpencerBenjamin » Fri Aug 15, 2008 1:51 am

Listen to Kim struggle to explain the theory:

http://mpegmedia.abc.net.au/triplej/doo ... eeders.mp3

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Post by johnnydove » Fri Aug 15, 2008 2:02 am

"...it's like plugging your guitar into a calculator"

...right

*tries to plug bc rich into ti-83*

:?


i still agree with the basic idea of what they're going for, but also think it's gone a bit far.

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Post by jmiller » Fri Aug 15, 2008 2:46 am

Apparently it is still OK to use digital FX such as the Eventides and Lexicons in the credenza pictured in the link?

Digital: only OK if it's on an aux send. :?

I think going all-analog is cool, but don't make a big deal about it. Just do it. Stop blaring the trumpets in the temple already.

Also, the logo looks like a big donger to me.

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Post by radical recording » Fri Aug 15, 2008 3:17 am

I thought the logo looked like a giant lollipop.

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Post by Mark Alan Miller » Fri Aug 15, 2008 5:45 am

"...it's analogous to... it's analogous... it's analog..." :lol:

She doesn't seem to know exactly what digital recording vs analog recording really is.
Like analog is an infinite window with no skewing of the source (it's not! there are only so many molecules going by the head per second! there are things like bias tone and EQ curves necessary simply to get a reasonably quiet and low-distortion signal!)
The ability to reproduce a waveform digitally isn't like playing back 'slices' - the output isn't 'stepped'. What kind of 'purity' she thinks she's actually getting is vague at best.

I know what she's getting at - and have no issues whatsoever with the concept - but man, she should really know what she's actually trying to say before she goes into an interview like that.


And overall, in many cases, I do agree with her objection to 'gridding' the music up. But mixing up quantizing and pitch correction and all that stuff into a 'philosophy' that also confusingly includes digital vs analog recording at the basic level is diffusing the argument, is diluting the whole point of what I think she's really after: performances vs. constructions.
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Post by junomat » Fri Aug 15, 2008 5:53 am

I am the last person to applaud Steve Albini for his antiquated thinking.

But...

Do you perhaps think that he started this coalition to get people talking? Regardless of what's better or what not.

The bottom line is people here are talking about recording. And that's a good thing!

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Post by RodC » Fri Aug 15, 2008 6:01 am

That is funny as shit. "xerox of your values, its not a recording of your sound."

I hope she is talking about putting together loops and shit, not digital in general.

Its all Brian May's fault... but shes not sure what guitar processors he was talking about.

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You can't make shit like this up. Of course there will be sheep to follow any idea.
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Post by RodC » Fri Aug 15, 2008 6:04 am

mobtownstudios wrote: Do you perhaps think that he started this coalition to get people talking? Regardless of what's better or what not.
I dont think he started it:
electrical wrote:For what it's worth, Kim came up with everything about the "All Wave" idea herself, and as far as I know she is the only person to subscribe to it.

The only association I have with it is that I worked on a record where the idea was publicly articulated in the annotations.

I think it is an interesting set of parameters in any case.
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Post by ;ivlunsdystf » Fri Aug 15, 2008 6:47 am

So that couple-paragraph summary at this website http://breedersdigest.net/2008/behind-t ... recording/ was written by Albini? Or was it not? If so, he wrote about himself in the third person?

*furrows brow and acts puzzled*

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Post by JGriffin » Fri Aug 15, 2008 7:55 am

jmiller wrote: Digital: only OK if it's on an aux send. :?
Love it!
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