Mixing help??

MoreSpaceEcho · Post by **MoreSpaceEcho** » Fri Nov 28, 2008 1:33 pm

this is going to be fun.

RefD · Post by **RefD** » Fri Nov 28, 2008 3:58 pm

that buzz on the clean guitars is proving...difficult to tame.

Slider · Post by **Slider** » Fri Nov 28, 2008 4:07 pm

This gave me some fun while my 3 yr old daughter was taking a nap.
On my home office PC mixing with the volume on almost zero.
I tried to make it big and 80's for a laugh, giving myself a time limit of 40 min and no automation.
It sounds like the Cult now for some reason. I also kept singing "Keep your lectric eye on me babe" to it in the chorus.
It's probably super bassy since I was monitoring so quiet on small computer speakers.

I'm sure it's bad but here it is anyway...

http://www.mediafire.com/?rluinnyutuy

rwc · Post by **rwc** » Fri Nov 28, 2008 4:10 pm

Here are my present gripes(on the material, not on slider's mix, I just noticed now that post came while i was writing this one). Feel free to rip into my criticisms.

a) the cymbals sound very much like sabian B8s, which I've learned to hate. Either he hits them too hard, or they suck.

b) the song seems to fall apart at the choruses. It actually sounds tight, and "proper" for lack of a better word, until it gets to the chorus. It's good enough that I think its building up into something even better and then the "YEAEAAHHHH" comes in, and the guitars get less tight, and it collapses very quickly.

The noise. I got rid of some in the mix I did but then realized that mix was terrible, and reverted to an earlier one that I didn't do any edits on... and being too lazy to edit it all out again, left it in.

Slider · Post by **Slider** » Fri Nov 28, 2008 4:18 pm

That's funny, I was monitoring so quiet I didn't even notice noise or buzz.
The hum from my computer fan was louder than my monitors.

RefD · Post by **RefD** » Fri Nov 28, 2008 4:31 pm

the clean guitars really need to be redone...not cos of the performances but cos of the frigging amp buzz.

unless you want it to sound like there's bees in the amp, it's just unusable.

rwc · Post by **rwc** » Fri Nov 28, 2008 5:05 pm

I like your mix, slider. I guess there was some good from the 80s..

big electric cat · Post by **big electric cat** » Fri Nov 28, 2008 5:33 pm

Slider wrote:
I'm sure it's bad but here it is anyway...

http://www.mediafire.com/?e5zjmip49zj

Holy crap slider! How did you do that? I'd never had thought it could sound so different, it's like a whole other band.

Would you mind giving me an outline of what you did?

Slider · Post by **Slider** » Fri Nov 28, 2008 5:35 pm

Thanks rwc!
If I get some free time I might touch it up using real monitors at the studio.
I think it really needs automation to work though.
I also had a few stray hits on the snare that I didn't have time to clean up. lol

timmymacdd · Post by **timmymacdd** » Fri Nov 28, 2008 5:51 pm

Yeah cool.....give us a day I will check back here tomorrow but can't really spend time until tomorrow night.

Also If you let us know what program you record in some of us might be able to send you back the mix in that program,......

People love to mix for practice so no money is usually needed......I get bored just mixing stuff that I do or a couple other bands. So this is actually just a whole lot of fun.

Slider · Post by **Slider** » Fri Nov 28, 2008 5:55 pm

big electric cat wrote:
Slider wrote:
I'm sure it's bad but here it is anyway...

http://www.mediafire.com/?e5zjmip49zj
Holy crap slider! How did you do that? I'd never had thought it could sound so different, it's like a whole other band.

Would you mind giving me an outline of what you did?

Sure.
I used a fake kick and a fake snare sound along with the real ones.
Used the TL 2095 free limiter on the real snare with cubase top end eq boost\no gate.
EQ'd the toms adding a ton of top and killing the mids. Parallel bussed the drums to some serious blown up compression. Put the overs through Blockfish compressor to a clean bus with a top end boost\high pass. Left the rooms alone.
Added L\R split harmonizer on the chorus vocals.
Barely eq'd the guitars. Put a bit of echo on them. Maybe some short 40ms delay too.
Mostly used the real amp sound for the bass, EQ'd in some low end and compressed it.
Put the free G suite JCM900 vst on the bass DI and blended it under the bass amp track.
I put an Rvox on the bass sub as well.
Vocals had Waves de-esser, TL 2095 limiter and Rvox. Used the Cubase eq for top end boost.
Main vocal was high passed and low passed to make the chorus vocal seem a little bigger. No automation at all, but I did copy the main vocal track and put a delay on for a couple of words.
Then put the whole mix through a kjaerhus limiter. No buss compression.
Took 30-40 min to do this.
I'm pretty fast with Cubase\Nuendo after using them 5 days a week for years now.

timmymacdd · Post by **timmymacdd** » Fri Nov 28, 2008 5:55 pm

Damn......you did a nice job posting this......

And slider you did a nice job of mixing it fast......it sounds professional at my house. To think that is only one day of messing around with it.....it sounds awsome.....Imagine spending a couple days over a week......? hehe

It is really amazing that the guitar comes out so full.....and the vocals too.

big electric cat · Post by **big electric cat** » Fri Nov 28, 2008 6:09 pm

Slider - It's not totally the direction I'd like to take the track but there were some real 'wow' elements to your mix that I'd love to try incorporating! Thanks for sharing. This is proving to be quite an education.

timmymacdd wrote: Also If you let us know what program you record in some of us might be able to send you back the mix in that program,......

I use Sonar, still on version 7.

I really appreciate you guys taking the time to do this!

Cheers,

Tony

lunatic · Post by **lunatic** » Fri Nov 28, 2008 9:10 pm

Slider, which drum samples are you using? Are they your own?

Tony, what direction DO you want to take the mix in? What about Slider's mix do you not like? What about Slider's mix DO you like and want to incorporate into your own stuff?

I'll have my version available Sat. or Sun...

Cool stuff!

Slider · Post by **Slider** » Fri Nov 28, 2008 9:27 pm

Yeah I was quickly pouring on the cheese sause for fun, demonstrating how a mix can easily mutate into something else entirely. The first 45 minutes mixing a song is usually pure experimental joy.The hours that follow are where the real hard work happens.

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