this is still my favorite.Tide Recording wrote: What ever happened to simply using whatever guns and mics you have and just shooting drummers and recording it?
Best Sounding Snare Sound EVER
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dsw wrote:Room treatment only works if the room WANTS to be treated, recognizes the problem and seeks out professional help. Sometimes an intervention can help though.
Not nearly as funny as the OP but you win something...
I prefer localised treatment in the form of ear plugs or muffs pressed lightly against my head. The local foam salesmen have a plaque honoring you somewhere I hope.
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Cissy Strut is a pretty cool one.MoreSpaceEcho wrote:*christmas bump*
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_iC0MyIykM
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Re: Best Sounding Snare Sound EVER
So anyway, to recap. MoreSpaceEcho got it, this, the Best Sounding Snare Sound Ever partly by climbing to the 27th (not the 25th, not the 28th) rung of the painters ladder and hurling several snares at a snare on a stand below and stacked the resulting sounds.
But he did not fully reveal the secret to capturing those sounds. The "secret sauce" if you will. He did make reference to the mundane but ubiquitous Shure SM57. That was not the whole story by a longshot however.
He left out some key particulars. Not for secrecy's sake mind you, he was justifiably proud of his accomplishment. They had surely been omitted merely due to exhaustion.
See, it wasn't just any Shure SM57. In a recent interview he gave with WTF monthly nearly ten years after the fact, MSE revealed candidly that there was indeed much more at play here.
The 57 was modded. Not just the "take the transformer out mod and goose it through a strong pre" methodology. MSE found that still was not getting him there. So he came up with a couple mods of his own.
He found that by removing the transducer, the coil and that oh so thin copper wiring the noise floor was lowered considerably, though now no amount of preamp power could bring the signal up to usable levels. Finally he hit upon removing the XLR pin assembly as well. Now it was just a matter of placing the 57 in front of the source, and a second mic directly behind it and he had it. That elusive tube dynamic sound he had sought. Not so much of a vacuum tube per se, more that of a traffic tunnel type of tubiness, but it was there, that sound he had been hearing in his head and chasing relentlessly for so many years.
But he did not fully reveal the secret to capturing those sounds. The "secret sauce" if you will. He did make reference to the mundane but ubiquitous Shure SM57. That was not the whole story by a longshot however.
He left out some key particulars. Not for secrecy's sake mind you, he was justifiably proud of his accomplishment. They had surely been omitted merely due to exhaustion.
See, it wasn't just any Shure SM57. In a recent interview he gave with WTF monthly nearly ten years after the fact, MSE revealed candidly that there was indeed much more at play here.
The 57 was modded. Not just the "take the transformer out mod and goose it through a strong pre" methodology. MSE found that still was not getting him there. So he came up with a couple mods of his own.
He found that by removing the transducer, the coil and that oh so thin copper wiring the noise floor was lowered considerably, though now no amount of preamp power could bring the signal up to usable levels. Finally he hit upon removing the XLR pin assembly as well. Now it was just a matter of placing the 57 in front of the source, and a second mic directly behind it and he had it. That elusive tube dynamic sound he had sought. Not so much of a vacuum tube per se, more that of a traffic tunnel type of tubiness, but it was there, that sound he had been hearing in his head and chasing relentlessly for so many years.
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Re: Best Sounding Snare Sound EVER
and it was goddamn glorious.
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Wow. I think that's it. Great synopsis.
So, nothing I've ever done makes any sense.
GJ
So, nothing I've ever done makes any sense.
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Re: Best Sounding Snare Sound EVER
I'm down with what shedshrine said except, well, you should use a SM58, y'know?
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i'll use 58's next time.
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The return of the classic.
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Yeah, it's like, do every mod the same except also remove the SM58 windscreen - it'll mebbe sound better for sure.
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Recording Studio News
Obituaries
Todd E. “Can Do” Martinsen
1978-2008
Succumbed to injuries Thursday morning sustained from impact of a ricocheting snare drum to the left side of the head while assisting world renowned engineer/producer MoreSpaceEcho.
The snare that ultimately took Martinsens’ life, a 5" x 14" Chad Smith Signature (not the artist's 7" x13" clear acrylic model as had been sited previously), struck Martinsen after it was hurled from a 30 foot painters ladder by Echo at a ‘70s Slingerland chrome student model mounted atop a stand for the purpose of obtaining a sound sample.
This unusual method for collecting drum samples ultimately led to what is largely regarded as the Greatest Snare Sound Ever, or the ‘Temple Tone’ as it became known in the industry as a tribute to the ill fated left side of Todd Martinsen's head.
Todd’s mother Evelyn Martinsen had this to say of her son: “Todd respected and loved music, loved engineering.
He was proud of his work with that [sic] lunatic. At least Bart left this world while doing what he loved most.”
Todd is survived by his lab “Hear Boy” and his South American iguana "Pearl"
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