imposing limits on recording?
Good stuff so far, especially about knowing when to break the rules you set and how it is a time saver. I thought I sucked at eq until I got a few eq plug ins that were not parametric. Just boost or cut and click through the different frequencies - it either sounds better or it doesn't and you know pretty much right away. Such a time saver as opposed to fiddling with a million parameters.
The last couple of mixes I have done have been super simple, maybe one or two compressors, a reverb and a delay and that was it.
The last couple of mixes I have done have been super simple, maybe one or two compressors, a reverb and a delay and that was it.
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Without sounding like a complete jerk, but wern't the majority of records recorded before the mid 60's done in mono? Your Howlin Wolf's, Duke Ellington's, Elvis's, Hank Sr's, Charlie Parkers etc?
I have a mono button on my stereo and used to have one on one of my boards. I used it all the time to check my mixes.
I prefer my mono jazz records over my stereo ones usually. (Especially those crappy ass Atlantic attempts at fake stereo imaging...yuck!)
I have a mono button on my stereo and used to have one on one of my boards. I used it all the time to check my mixes.
I prefer my mono jazz records over my stereo ones usually. (Especially those crappy ass Atlantic attempts at fake stereo imaging...yuck!)
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you don't sound like a jerk necessarily, but what is your point?
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I guess it's a long winded way of saying that recording in mono is not really that experimental or restricting.dwlb wrote:you don't sound like a jerk necessarily, but what is your point?
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Aha.capnreverb wrote:I guess it's a long winded way of saying that recording in mono is not really that experimental or restricting.dwlb wrote:you don't sound like a jerk necessarily, but what is your point?
It may not be "experimental" per se, but not using the pan knob in 2009 is a "restriction." You are limiting your palette of options.
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Beatles were in Mono even. In fact Revolver, Magic Mystery, and Sgt Peppers were even released in Mono editions.....dwlb wrote:Aha.capnreverb wrote:I guess it's a long winded way of saying that recording in mono is not really that experimental or restricting.dwlb wrote:you don't sound like a jerk necessarily, but what is your point?
It may not be "experimental" per se, but not using the pan knob in 2009 is a "restriction." You are limiting your palette of options.
Also, it is restricting but not only that you have to be able to EQ and mix good to get a mono mix to sound good. Panning can move sounds in the same frequency range away from each other.... in Mono you have to fix it.... If it sounds good in mono it will just sound good.
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I am literally one step behind you right now.... I switched to making all of my music on analog sequencers, etc and now am switching to an 8 track with a mixer.... when I switched my workflow from plugins, and softsynths, etc to analog my workflow went from 20 hours of composing a simple song to about 2 hours (these are for basic beats for emcees not anything too advanced) and now I want to do this to my mixing and recording workflow.ysyrtypy wrote:After about 2 years of continuous options-OD'ing with DAW and plugins galore I am using cassette 8-track with a mixer (mixer has spring reverb with a send knob for each channel) and the only insert I use is a memory man on vocals, and I am in HEAVEN because I am getting things done in 6 hours that used to take 6 weeks and the results actually sound better from not being tortured through a bunch of plugs and editing events.
So, yes, limit yourself. EDIT: that is, if the above scenario appeals to you and fits with your overall plan.
Also, my music sounds more full, etc, and I love being more hands on and not staring at a screen. Not to mention you feel so much better pushing buttons, and twisting knobs instead of turning miaginary ones with your mouse.
brian wilson produced every beach boys record in mono due to his own limitations: a deafness in one ear. listen to pet sounds. extremely complex instrument arrangements, all mixed in mono and fit well together with mic placement and mix it well in the room first.
if the band you are recording is a 3 piece minimalist rock group, just listen to pet sounds and say to yourself...if THIS can be done, a 3 piece in mono can definitely be done.
good luck!
if the band you are recording is a 3 piece minimalist rock group, just listen to pet sounds and say to yourself...if THIS can be done, a 3 piece in mono can definitely be done.
good luck!
This is a cool topic. I recorded a 3 piece last weekend and was planning to go this route. They wanted to use my 1 inch, so i had fun planning out how to attack this. i particularly wanted to do the drums with one mic...but when push came to shove the band announced they were gonna double all the vox and gtrs.So we went a different route...
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No, ysyrtypy was smart to make an unsolicited offer for my Tascam 238s!RefD wrote:you lucky bastard.ysyrtypy wrote:I am using cassette 8-track with a mixer (mixer has spring reverb with a send knob for each channel) and the only insert I use is a memory man on vocals, and I am in HEAVEN because I am getting things done in 6 hours that used to take 6 weeks...
(Glad it's working out! )
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It took me a while to dig out the Brian Eno quote, but here it is (empahsis is mine):
http://music.hyperreal.org/artists/bria ... ondo4.htmlMm, rock musicians or pop musicians in general have forged tremendous technological advances by their lack of courage. [laughter] It's true, really. If you think about 24-track studios, the only reason you need 24 tracks is 'cause you can't make up your mind in the first place. Well, that lack of resolution is what I think led to a new way of making music, which is what I call the painterly style of recording - where you go in and you try that sound and then you put that one on next to it and then you put that one on next to it and you think, um, that doesn't look quite right. Scrape a bit of that off and add another one up here. You are composing empirically. Empirical composing is something that has been lost from music for quite a long time.
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