Produced, Engineered AND Mixed by?

[Archmart]

Hey Hey!

On an album where you've done it all...

"Produced, Engineered, and Mixed by..."

or just

"Produced and Engineered by..."

?

Basically, is Engineered and Mixed a bit redundant?

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[A.David.MacKinnon]

I've done all or some and been credited for all or some.
For most of my work I leave it up to the client to write the credits as long as I get to approve it (and they spell my name right). The only credit I really hate is "recorded by". I'm an engineer not a recorder.

[rocky]

I don't mind "recorded by..."

In the times when I haven't produced something, I personally think it sounds more natural and part of the experience than "engineered by..."

If you think it's important to be credited for each aspect, go for it!

If a band are all present for the all mix and throwing in ideas and feelings and views,
I'll usually ask them to do a "mixed by Rocky O'Reilly with The Name Of The Band"

[JGriffin]

if you've done the whole project, just "engineered" would probably suffice.

I don't mind "recorded by" as a credit, because while "engineering" is a name for what I do..."recording" is as well. Plus as i don't actually have an Engineering degree, I have a BA in audio recording...but that's a whole other oprah.

[@?,*???&?]

Recording and Mixing are two different things. I have a bunch of engineering credits on things where tapes were sent, some guy came in to overdub and the artist and in some cases the producer was never around. Definitely an engineering credit. Some people credit engineering as recording.

Those guys who just wrote that "Recording the Beatles" book hit on what was the case at Abbey Road.

Geoff Emerick was a balance engineer, but did not necessarily set up mics or equipment.

In Los Angeles, at some studios at some point in the past, an in-house tech may have been the one to align the tape machine and it was the freelance recording engineer that would use it daily.

Try finding a tech credit on a record these days. They don't exist, but you do occasionally see an editing or digital editing credit given.

I would never credit engineering and mixing as the same thing. It might to see how NARAS views this too. Scroll down to "Crediting Definitions":

http://www.grammy.com/Recording_Academy ... uidelines/

[JGriffin]

Recording and Mixing are two different things.

I would never credit engineering and mixing as the same thing. It might to see how NARAS views this too. Scroll down to "Crediting Definitions":

http://www.grammy.com/Recording_Academy ... uidelines/

Engineer
This person is present in the recording studio or at the location recording and is responsible for the
process of recording and/or mixing a project as well as technical issues and decisions. He or she
operates (or oversees the operation of) the equipment during the recording process and makes
creative and aesthetic choices in order to realize the sound and concepts the artist and producer
envision.

Geez, Jeff.

[@?,*???&?]

Recording and Mixing are two different things.

I would never credit engineering and mixing as the same thing. It might to see how NARAS views this too. Scroll down to "Crediting Definitions":

http://www.grammy.com/Recording_Academy ... uidelines/

Engineer
This person is present in the recording studio or at the location recording and is responsible for the
process of recording and/or mixing a project as well as technical issues and decisions. He or she
operates (or oversees the operation of) the equipment during the recording process and makes
creative and aesthetic choices in order to realize the sound and concepts the artist and producer
envision.

Geez, Jeff.

And?

[JGriffin]

Recording and Mixing are two different things.

I would never credit engineering and mixing as the same thing. It might to see how NARAS views this too. Scroll down to "Crediting Definitions":

http://www.grammy.com/Recording_Academy ... uidelines/

Engineer
This person is present in the recording studio or at the location recording and is responsible for the
process of recording and/or mixing a project as well as technical issues and decisions. He or she
operates (or oversees the operation of) the equipment during the recording process and makes
creative and aesthetic choices in order to realize the sound and concepts the artist and producer
envision.

Geez, Jeff.

And?

Well, the example you cited directly contradicts your statement. That's all. Not that you said you do what NARAS does, but, y'know, you don't do what NARAS does.

[rushofblood]

Mixing engineers are engineers too, I'd say they are two different jobs.
An engineer credit would be reasonable for someone who mixed a record. A mixing engineer credit is just being specific.

[Brian]

Just use the NARAS term "NOOB":
Noobed by, Jeff.

[aurelialuz]

peoduction is the big one for me. if i produced a record, really produced it beyond the engineering, it's a separate line from the other two.

[FlowersForHuman]

Granted I'm currently active in my own post about not not having my work released, so take this with a grain of salt, but I've always been of the mind that you request the credit you want with your career in mind, and make sure you get it.

If I think I want to be known as an "engineer" then what the public thinks an engineer does has to be taken into consideration. Me personally, my goal is to be known for production, so a blanket statement doesn't work for me. If I did the whole records, I take at least separate credits for "engineered by" and "produced by," but I have separate credits for "tracked", "mixed", "produced", and "album design by" on some records where different sets of skills shined through during each stage of the record.

If your dream is to be a professional pet hair stylist then put "pet hair styled by"

...but "pet hair styled by" and "hampsters hair styled by" might be a bit redundant.

[L-ROX]

I would think that if you've produced, recorded and mixed a record that the only necessary credit would be "Produced by..." A producer typically oversees who engineers the record (records and later mixes it) so most people who know how things work would assume that the producer was involved in engineering the project at some level.

If you've also mastered the project, then personally I would say:

"Hi, this is ______. I just want to let you all know that I've done it all here and if it doesn't sound right, then get a referral to an audiologist from your primary doc."

[Archmart]

Hey Hey!

I dunno, somehow I didn't get notified when replies were posted. I had thought this post fell on deaf ears but see now there's been some good responses. (And that last one makes me wish I'd mastered it, too! I hope to use that some day.)

FWIW, in the meantime it went to press with "Produced, engineered, and mixed by...". I knew mixed was redundant, a subset of engineering, and probably would leave it off in the future. I think when I asked for that credit line it was late at night and I was in the throws of mixing (which was a very long, drawn out process for this record) and it just seemed like such a substantial part of it all that it deserved a specific mention.

I got no problem with "recorded by" and it even feels a little old-school, classic. It would be fun to see an opportunity that called for "balance engineer" sometime, too.

The point about self-promotion is an interesting one.

I do think engineered or recorded is worth mentioning in addition to produced if that's the case. While the differences between and the advisability of doing both are debatable, that only seems to point to the two things being often very different and thus not to be presumed the same.

[Dakota]

FWIW, in the meantime it went to press with "Produced, engineered, and mixed by...". I knew mixed was redundant,

I don't think it's redundant. Releases can be handed through such a long line of specialists nowadays, I think it's important to spell it out. Personally, when looking over a CD that gets my attention, I want to know, and check the credits in detail. And as I do a wide variety of audio/music roles, I try to be pretty specific with the client what I want as credits for that project. Usually works out well.