Speaker emulated headphone monitoring?
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Speaker emulated headphone monitoring?
Hi all. I'm one of those college-student project studio types. I do believe I make some more-than-adequate mixes, however I had a question regarding monitoring.
Since I am poor, I made the silly decision of buying monitors (Yamaha HS50m) before actually acoustically treating my bedroom. I have, however, been using Sony MDR-7506s for the past 10 years (I am 22 now, my daddy had a good 'ol pair in the day) and suffice to say, I know exactly how anything should sound through these. Of course, phase issues are hard to detect which is what I use my Yamahas for, though my room sounds like ass.
I decided to experiment though by creating two aux buses in Logic Pro, and having the left and right channels each be panned about 50% left and right, and using Logic's space designer to create almost a "control room" environment. I've been able to make it sound somewhat monitor-like since I am able to detect phase issues more clearly. Has anyone else tried this? Or am I just deluding myself with it's effectiveness? (I always try to find the cheap way out of any situation ) Also since I am more than familiar with my headphones, I feel that it could potentially be done right if I do it correctly. Of course, I plan on treating my room eventually, I'm just more curious than anything!
Since I am poor, I made the silly decision of buying monitors (Yamaha HS50m) before actually acoustically treating my bedroom. I have, however, been using Sony MDR-7506s for the past 10 years (I am 22 now, my daddy had a good 'ol pair in the day) and suffice to say, I know exactly how anything should sound through these. Of course, phase issues are hard to detect which is what I use my Yamahas for, though my room sounds like ass.
I decided to experiment though by creating two aux buses in Logic Pro, and having the left and right channels each be panned about 50% left and right, and using Logic's space designer to create almost a "control room" environment. I've been able to make it sound somewhat monitor-like since I am able to detect phase issues more clearly. Has anyone else tried this? Or am I just deluding myself with it's effectiveness? (I always try to find the cheap way out of any situation ) Also since I am more than familiar with my headphones, I feel that it could potentially be done right if I do it correctly. Of course, I plan on treating my room eventually, I'm just more curious than anything!
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I have a little plug-in that I made in Sonic Birth, which does that, and I find it works surprisingly well. I use it to mix at night when the boys are asleep, etc.
Mine takes the Left signal and crossfeeds it to the right, while delaying it by about a millisecond, and rolling off the high end. This emulates the sound travel around your head (which block high frequencies) and the delay time from ear to ear. Then of course, the right side feeds to the left. The amount is adjustable, so I can put my monitors up, then adjust the plug-in until my headphones sound like the monitors.
A few companies make headphone amps with this function, Here's Grace's design:
Grace Headphone Amp with XFeed Circuit
Mine takes the Left signal and crossfeeds it to the right, while delaying it by about a millisecond, and rolling off the high end. This emulates the sound travel around your head (which block high frequencies) and the delay time from ear to ear. Then of course, the right side feeds to the left. The amount is adjustable, so I can put my monitors up, then adjust the plug-in until my headphones sound like the monitors.
A few companies make headphone amps with this function, Here's Grace's design:
Grace Headphone Amp with XFeed Circuit
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Yes, but checking for phase issues while retaining a "stereo image" is more desirable for me. I do press the mono button on Logic quite often (which I should when I'm dealing with a lot of ridiculous synth sounds!)Snarl 12/8 wrote:Couldn't you just put a mono mix through the headphones for a phase check? Seems easier in every way.
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Now THIS is what I would be looking for! Too bad it's Windows-only
Now THIS is what I would be looking for! Too bad it's Windows-only
Have you checked this out:
http://www.112db.com/redline/monitor/
Not super cheap at $99 but you can download a 30 day trial to test it out.
http://www.112db.com/redline/monitor/
Not super cheap at $99 but you can download a 30 day trial to test it out.
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Sort of what I'm looking for. Hopefully that will do the trick...JefffM wrote:Have you checked this out:
http://www.112db.com/redline/monitor/
Not super cheap at $99 but you can download a 30 day trial to test it out.
If you haven't sprung for RLM take a look at Canz3DCrocoduck5000 wrote:Sort of what I'm looking for. Hopefully that will do the trick...JefffM wrote:Have you checked this out:
http://www.112db.com/redline/monitor/
Not super cheap at $99 but you can download a 30 day trial to test it out.
http://www.midnightwalrus.com/Canz3D/
I was never really able to get RLM to not sound 'off.' Had better luck with C3D, which is way more adjustable. Another plus is that it's only $10.
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