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Recommend an ear training program for mixing?

Post by jdk90042 » Tue Feb 09, 2010 10:37 am

Looking for something to fill in some gaps of acquired knowledge. As a musician who's gotten into recording without ever interning or formally studying, I know a lot of principles and techniques, but would sort of like to find something equivalent to ear-training exercises for musicians, to help develop the ear/brain to make better use of all the tips and tricks you pick up. Ideally a book/CD combo that presents examples of what to listen for in a progressive lesson/project building format...

Ideas?

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Post by cgarges » Tue Feb 09, 2010 12:02 pm

How about re-recording some of your favorite songs and trying to match the sounds and/or techniques? That's a great way to develop your ears and your engineering chops.

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Post by Snarl 12/8 » Tue Feb 09, 2010 12:35 pm

I could swear there's some dude on here that re-records Bohemian Rhapsody every year as a test of how far he's come as a musician (overdubbing all the tracks) and engineer. His last effort was pretty impressive. I can't find that thread though. Maybe I hallucinated it?
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Re: Recommend an ear training program for mixing?

Post by @?,*???&? » Tue Feb 09, 2010 7:51 pm

jdk11211 wrote:Looking for something to fill in some gaps of acquired knowledge. As a musician who's gotten into recording without ever interning or formally studying, I know a lot of principles and techniques, but would sort of like to find something equivalent to ear-training exercises for musicians, to help develop the ear/brain to make better use of all the tips and tricks you pick up. Ideally a book/CD combo that presents examples of what to listen for in a progressive lesson/project building format...

Ideas?
Look for that collection by F Alton Everest. It's now been consolidated down to a $40 book and CD set.

http://www.amazon.com/Critical-Listenin ... 81&sr=1-25

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Post by cgarges » Tue Feb 09, 2010 7:53 pm

Snarl 12/8 wrote:I could swear there's some dude on here that re-records Bohemian Rhapsody every year as a test of how far he's come as a musician (overdubbing all the tracks) and engineer. His last effort was pretty impressive. I can't find that thread though. Maybe I hallucinated it?
This one's pretty freaking brilliant and well-done:

http://www.boingboing.net/2009/11/24/mu ... -quee.html

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Post by Snarl 12/8 » Tue Feb 09, 2010 11:44 pm

1 vote for Animal as the Who's Superbowl drummer next year.
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Post by andris » Wed Feb 10, 2010 6:41 am

This ear training program is pretty comprehensive (but pricey)
http://www.moultonlabs.com/full/product01
follow the link to Kiq for pricing
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Post by the finger genius » Wed Feb 10, 2010 7:25 am

andris wrote:This ear training program is pretty comprehensive (but pricey)
http://www.moultonlabs.com/full/product01
follow the link to Kiq for pricing
I think I have one of these sets lying around that I haven't used in ages. PM me if you're interested in buying it.
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Post by Brett Siler » Wed Feb 10, 2010 5:15 pm

cgarges wrote:How about re-recording some of your favorite songs and trying to match the sounds and/or techniques? That's a great way to develop your ears and your engineering chops.

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I've been wanting to do that for awhile. That would be some really fun and eductional sessions.

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Post by Veej007 » Sun Feb 21, 2010 6:03 pm

andris wrote:This ear training program is pretty comprehensive (but pricey)
http://www.moultonlabs.com/full/product01
follow the link to Kiq for pricing
I have spent a lot of time with this and it's awesome.

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Post by drumsound » Thu Feb 25, 2010 1:31 pm

cgarges wrote:How about re-recording some of your favorite songs and trying to match the sounds and/or techniques? That's a great way to develop your ears and your engineering chops.

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I don't know anyone that has become a better engineer doing that. Oh wait, Yes I do.

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Post by ubertar » Thu Feb 25, 2010 1:44 pm

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Post by niccolo gallio » Sun Feb 28, 2010 11:27 am

Hey, years ago I've written a small mac app using max/msp, it is inpired by the Moulton's method (which I have) and works like this:

you can train using pink noise or a soundfile of your choice, then the app performs on the file (or noise) a boost (or cut, your choice) of either 3 6 or 12 db and you have to guess @ which frequency.
Standard program uses 10 frequencies band of 1 oct bandwidth
Hard version uses all the 31 iso bands with 1/3 octave BW.
I found that using these programs is quite funny and has a good effect on your hearing, but YMMV, as US internet persons like to say..

There's also another program that simulates ringing in the same 31 frequencies, but that is somewhat more suited to a live sound person..

I can put up a rapidshare link if anyone is interested.

Ah, the programs are free, but if you are a member of a military organization you cannot use them, sorry.

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Post by thethingwiththestuff » Sun Feb 28, 2010 9:48 pm

niccolo...... yes, please!

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Post by phishman13 » Sun Feb 28, 2010 9:48 pm

I'll 2nd the Golden Ears program. I used it as a course curriculum in my critical listening class in college. We only did the single frequency boost cuts of pink noise and music, but we listened to the later pink noise stuff which was amazing. 2 frequencies, boost or cut, and i think you could choose between to boost/cut amounts. ridiculous. and doesn't it get into timing in ms stuff? I need to find a copy and finish it. The little amount we covered in it was hugely helpful.

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