Vocal Tech. "Do you mind if I nail your feet to the flo

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Vocal Tech. "Do you mind if I nail your feet to the flo

Post by Ryan Silva » Fri Jun 04, 2010 11:06 am

As much as we would like our vocalists to stay on their ?Spot? when recording Vocals, it can be difficult. The last thing we want to do is make a singer feel stiff, and restricted by chaining them to a very small sweet spot on the mic, but if we don?t?..

I was hoping for examples, and creative solutions to these problems.

Double compression?
Omni?
Head Restraint?
Highly reflective room?

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Post by the finger genius » Fri Jun 04, 2010 11:09 am

How about attaching a mic to the singer through some kind of headgear?
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Post by the finger genius » Fri Jun 04, 2010 11:10 am

Something like this...
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Post by A.David.MacKinnon » Fri Jun 04, 2010 11:49 am

Hand held mic? I've done some hardcore records this way. It's not a technique that translates to every genre but it can work really well on rock types.
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Post by cgarges » Fri Jun 04, 2010 11:51 am

Ryan Silva wrote:Highly reflective room?
I would think the exact opposite.

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Re: Vocal Tech. "Do you mind if I nail your feet to the

Post by Ryan Silva » Fri Jun 04, 2010 12:02 pm

cgarges wrote:
Ryan Silva wrote:Highly reflective room?
I would think the exact opposite.

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Well it might color the hell out of an off axis cardiod, but there would be a lot less level variation. I did this with an accordion track and an Omni in the bathtub of a bathroom. All the reflections helped in hearing a constantly moving instrument without volume variation.

But yes, not a very good solution for vocals. :wink:
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Post by drumsound » Fri Jun 04, 2010 1:22 pm

My mind goes to omni in a fairly dead space, or one with a short but pleasing reflective tone.

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Post by accordion squeezist » Fri Jun 04, 2010 3:04 pm

google search Ray Charles.
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Post by Brett Siler » Fri Jun 04, 2010 5:37 pm

In the book Mixing With Your Mind, the author talks about using a handheld mic for the singer but the arm used to hold the mic being in a sling (for for arm injuries) so they can control their own dynamics (if you have an awesome singer with great technique, but we know that is rare) but still be restricted to still be in the "sweet spot". I bet it will still apply to a singer that is kinda out contol, by restricting their movement some.

If their head moves to much use a neck brace too. :lol: Only a half joke.

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Post by Nick Sevilla » Fri Jun 04, 2010 10:42 pm

Depeche Mode : Exciter.

DPA 4001 Omni mic on all lead vocals. Put on a stand, had singer dance around like on stage.

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Post by Snarl 12/8 » Sat Jun 05, 2010 12:57 pm

2 things I've tried. Tell them "keep your nose touching the pop screen". (Put pop screen on somthing more steady than the usual gooseneck.

Put some sort of bar above the mic and tell them to keep their forehead pressed against that bar.

Obviously you gotta adjust the bar or pop screen to put their mouth where you want it vis a vis the mic.

Limited/varying success with those methods.
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Post by Morgan R. Koren » Sun Jun 06, 2010 8:58 am

Snarl 12/8 wrote: Put some sort of bar above the mic and tell them to keep their forehead pressed against that bar.
Along those lines, I'd suggest putting something heavy, like a concrete slab on the floor. Then position the mic so that the performer is where you want them to be when his/her toes touch said concrete. But I admit that doing so would not make as good a photo-op as the forehead against the bar idea. :lol:

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Post by Nick Sevilla » Sun Jun 06, 2010 10:01 am

Iron Maidens are good for holding down the singer too...
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Post by newholland » Sun Jun 06, 2010 10:56 am

i recently did a session with a guy who couldn't get used to standing still and firing..er.. singing (screaming) at an LDC. he's singer only who cups a 58 live.

well.. i just threw up an sm7, fed him back ONLY the sm7 in the phones, but put an LDC up right behind it. he controlled his own dynamics for the most part by standing still and blasting the dynamic, but i got the openness of the LDC. you don't really 'hear' that theres a big black canister in the way.. but it also gave me a second option on vocal takes too.

i think we figgered this strategy out last time i worked with them, because last i did, i actually duct taped one of his feet to the floor... :roll: not kidding.

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Post by Aj » Sun Jun 06, 2010 7:54 pm

Two words: Ikea Ringum.

No need to say anything about "staying on your mark". Just casually drop one of these in front of the vocal mic while setting up the session...

http://www.ikea.com/us/en/catalog/products/70141493

Again, I've found I don't need to say anything when I do this. Usually, the visual of a perfectly-sized round colorful dot on the floor does the trick.

And... only 10 bucks! (in the states, at least.)
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