First attempt at Glynn Johns - Question re: overheads
First attempt at Glynn Johns - Question re: overheads
Hello,
Just curious about your opinions. About to record a full kit for the first time. I like all the classic drum sounds, esp. Bonham and later Ringo.
I currently have one mxl R144 ribbon and one mxl cube condenser.
My question is should I go ahead and get one more R144 or one more cube to use as the second overhead (and why)? I am currently leaning toward getting another ribbon, but could be persuaded.
I know there are posts on Glynn Johns, but it's a fairly specific question.
Thanks for your time!
Just curious about your opinions. About to record a full kit for the first time. I like all the classic drum sounds, esp. Bonham and later Ringo.
I currently have one mxl R144 ribbon and one mxl cube condenser.
My question is should I go ahead and get one more R144 or one more cube to use as the second overhead (and why)? I am currently leaning toward getting another ribbon, but could be persuaded.
I know there are posts on Glynn Johns, but it's a fairly specific question.
Thanks for your time!
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Re: First attempt at Glynn Johns - Question re: overheads
Which sounds better to you? Try them each in both positions and compare/contrast.relyet wrote:Hello,
Just curious about your opinions. About to record a full kit for the first time. I like all the classic drum sounds, esp. Bonham and later Ringo.
I currently have one mxl R144 ribbon and one mxl cube condenser.
My question is should I go ahead and get one more R144 or one more cube to use as the second overhead (and why)? I am currently leaning toward getting another ribbon, but could be persuaded.
I know there are posts on Glynn Johns, but it's a fairly specific question.
Thanks for your time!
edit: some people use different mics in the two positions also. They're capturing fairly different "pictures" of the kit, so it kindof makes sense.
My advice would be to try it with what you have. I don't think there is anything that says you have to use the same mics. This really isn't the same as an xy or something. If it sounds good with the mics you already have, go with it. If you think one or the other would be better suited, then purchase another. You will never know until you try.
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The GJ method was a dynamic [AKG D-30] in front of the kit and a U-67 over and on the side. In the old Olympic room [the large one] was somewhat modeled after the large room at Abbey Rd... which was a great big room, with monstrously tall ceilings and was quite "non-reflective" which caused many tons of air to be moved with very few reflections - this gave the feeling of "space" without it being perceived as "reverb"... pretty damn close to impossible to achieve in most modern facilities no matter which microphones you use.JWL wrote:Note that IIRC Glyn Johns used large diaphragm condenser mics for all 3....
Also - most folks don't have the drums tuned in the same rather "open" manner which extended rather well defined notes to the drums. My point being - that mic selection is about 4th on the list of actual importance -- drummer, drums, room all come well before mics [though these days mics are the easiest to assign credit to the sounds as they are the easiest to attain].
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wait, so which mic preamp will get me the GJ sound again?Fletcher wrote: My point being - that mic selection is about 4th on the list of actual importance -- drummer, drums, room all come well before mics [though these days mics are the easiest to assign credit to the sounds as they are the easiest to attain].
Peace.
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yeah...Jon Nolan wrote:wait, so which mic preamp will get me the GJ sound again?Fletcher wrote: My point being - that mic selection is about 4th on the list of actual importance -- drummer, drums, room all come well before mics [though these days mics are the easiest to assign credit to the sounds as they are the easiest to attain].
Peace.
Also, why can't they just make a Glynn Johns emulator plugin?
Free of coarse.
to the OP, though. The song, the drummer, the instrument, etc: these are all essential to the final product, of course. I recently did a modified GJ with a coles over the snare, and a modded Nady cheapo ribbon over the side and it sounded great. OT like Bonham, mind you, but killing. Prolly the best drum sounds of my recording life, actually! (woot!). That said, but the session of which I speak points directly to the player. A great player will make a guy look reeeeaally good.
so, fwiw, if your player is killing, don't sweat an unmatched pair of overheads. says I, anyway.
good luck man! hope it all goes well.
wish i was in austin. it's negative balls degrees here in NH right now.
jon
so, fwiw, if your player is killing, don't sweat an unmatched pair of overheads. says I, anyway.
good luck man! hope it all goes well.
wish i was in austin. it's negative balls degrees here in NH right now.
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seriously. come pick me up and lets have a road trip down to austin and help relyet record some drums.Jon Nolan wrote:wish i was in austin. it's negative balls degrees here in NH right now.
relyet i would just use what you have. i'm not so much a fan of the GJ mic setup, but i do love a mono overhead, so lately i've been messing around with both a condenser and a ribbon in the same spot over the kit and i'm liking it.
Thanks guys! Actually we had snow in Austin last night. Crazy!
Last week we tried the cube overhead with a kickball and that's it (r144 a bit too noisy-- really had to crank the gain). Through ART preamp and compressor into my Tascam 388. Liked it. Did the rest in logic. About to start recording a new album in earnest and with our actual drummer playing drums (not me), really looking forward to the drums.
Thanks for the input and help.
Last week we tried the cube overhead with a kickball and that's it (r144 a bit too noisy-- really had to crank the gain). Through ART preamp and compressor into my Tascam 388. Liked it. Did the rest in logic. About to start recording a new album in earnest and with our actual drummer playing drums (not me), really looking forward to the drums.
Thanks for the input and help.
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