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Can I use LDC mic on a kick..

Post by bluechevy75 » Mon Oct 17, 2011 9:41 am

My friend loaned me a Groove Tube GT66. It is a large diaphragm condenser mic. It will handle 135 to 150 spl depending on the db -10 switch. Can I use this on a kick drum? Without ruining it? We don't play heavy heavy music but we do play rock.

If I can use it--placement?

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Post by HeavyHand » Mon Oct 17, 2011 9:51 am

yes you can use it. put it half way between the center of the head and the rim. not in front of the port hole. you will probably need another mic inside for some beater attack as well. the outer mic will mostly pick up low end. or try a minimal set up thing and look up the glyn johns technique.
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Post by bluechevy75 » Mon Oct 17, 2011 10:13 am

HeavyHand wrote:yes you can use it. put it half way between the center of the head and the rim. not in front of the port hole. you will probably need another mic inside for some beater attack as well. the outer mic will mostly pick up low end. or try a minimal set up thing and look up the glyn johns technique.
Distance from the kick head?

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Post by HeavyHand » Mon Oct 17, 2011 10:30 am

just a few inches maybe 3 or 4. experiment and see what you like. i would go as close as i could without the head hitting the mic. there is a surprising amount of excursion on a kick head.
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Post by oil_can » Mon Oct 17, 2011 11:19 am

great mc, i have 2 and they are used constantly, have had good results on kick, but i prefer my at4047 for that duty when a ldc is called for, my gt66s are usually used for overheads in the glyn johns fashion when recording drums

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Post by Gregg Juke » Mon Oct 17, 2011 11:40 am

It also depends on whether you have no front head, a front head with a hole, or a whole (no hole) front head...

I wouldn't put it too close, especially if you have a whole front head (let it develop a little). You may want to add a dynamic inside the kick or on the beater side (not my favorite), and mix the two.

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Post by bluechevy75 » Mon Oct 17, 2011 12:49 pm

Cool. thanks so much.

Do I need to have the -10 db on to prevent damage or am I okay? I know it's not the most expensive mic but it's the most expensive mic I've ever touched and I'm afraid of damaging it as it's not mine.

In terms of mic'ing the kit we are really just scraping together what we can find: have a cheap MXL LDC for overheads. An sm57 on the snare and had a sm58 knock-off on the kick. My guess is that the v66 will be a big improvement.

We do have a head on the kick. The processing power of our computer won't really allow us to have any more than three mics on drums right now. So mic'ing the beater side is out.

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Post by dfuruta » Mon Oct 17, 2011 1:36 pm

The -10dB pad won't do anything to prevent capsule damage. If you're really worried, use a pop screen.

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Post by chris harris » Mon Oct 17, 2011 2:20 pm

You're very, very unlikely to damage the mic. I never even think twice about it with LDCs.

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Post by fuzz » Tue Oct 18, 2011 6:37 am

Put your hand out front of the head as the kicks being played and stick the mic around the spot where you feel the air movement give way. I also usually point the mic tilted a little down. Listen and see if there's enough presence.

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Post by Wagz » Sun Oct 23, 2011 5:52 pm

Was chilling at a studio doing a live session the other week, the op put a U47 about 6 inches in front of the kick. I would have never thought to do that. When I saw him putting it there, the price tag of something breaking ran through my head. But hey, he knew what he was doing; it sounded absolutely glorious.
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Post by SafeandSoundMastering » Tue Nov 29, 2011 5:04 am

One of the best mics for capturing the deep low end from a kick drum can be the AKG 414. Not sure of which model exactly (there are a few) but a friend recorded a kick and I was gobsmacked at how deep a sound it recorded, of course positioning is everything. You need to be careful about the SPL's close in though.

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Post by A.David.MacKinnon » Tue Nov 29, 2011 5:55 am

bluechevy75 wrote:
In terms of mic'ing the kit we are really just scraping together what we can find: have a cheap MXL LDC for overheads. An sm57 on the snare and had a sm58 knock-off on the kick. My guess is that the v66 will be a big improvement.

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I'd switch the GT66 and the MXL. Most/all of those Chinese mics have a gross high end bump that make them not so great as overheads. However they do have nice low end and the high bump can add a little to presence to a front of kick sound. I still have a first generation MXL2001 and front of kick is just about all it gets used for these days.
I'll bet the GT66 will be a much much nicer overhead. With that minimal kind of set-up I'd even try the GT out front of the kit at about chest level. If you get the kit sounding great with that one mic you can use close mic to fill in what's missing.

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Post by Jitters » Tue Nov 29, 2011 8:18 am

A.David.MacKinnon wrote: I'd switch the GT66 and the MXL.
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