Recommend a substitute for waves renaissance bass plug?
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Recommend a substitute for waves renaissance bass plug?
I'd like to find a vst plug for pc (cubase, sonar) that does the kind of bass enhancement that the Waves Renaissance Bass (and MaxBass?) do. The plug seems to create higher harmonics somehow, so that bass instruments show up better on small speakers that don't have much low end extension.
I may end up buying Waves products again, but would really rather not. Not comfortable with how they do things.
Suggestions? Thanks in advance.
I may end up buying Waves products again, but would really rather not. Not comfortable with how they do things.
Suggestions? Thanks in advance.
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I was going to say distortion, but I'm not at all familiar with the plugin you're referencing. I love distortion (not to the point where you say, "woah, that's distorted, but subtle-like) on kick and bass to give it more definition and "air" in the mix.
When I used to mix ITB, so it was really easy to throw it on there, I'd use Craig Anderton's "Quadrafuzz" plugin almost every time on kick and/or bass. I don't know what formats that plug is available in, but it's a great low-end enhancer/booster. "Quadra" refers to the number (4) of bands of distortion/gain/boost, etc. you can apply to a signal and I felt it had a very intuitive interface for how powerful and tweakable it was.
When I used to mix ITB, so it was really easy to throw it on there, I'd use Craig Anderton's "Quadrafuzz" plugin almost every time on kick and/or bass. I don't know what formats that plug is available in, but it's a great low-end enhancer/booster. "Quadra" refers to the number (4) of bands of distortion/gain/boost, etc. you can apply to a signal and I felt it had a very intuitive interface for how powerful and tweakable it was.
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Izotope Ozone has a good sounding multiband harmonic exciter. I've never put them back to back with the Waves ones (I have both I should do that), but both of them haven't let me down when I needed them.
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Thanks for all the good ideas -- it's especially interesting to see how Mr. Cat "reverse engineered" the process without using a specialized plug.
Gotta admit I caved and just bought the Ren Bass plug. Simple, sounds good, and $64 was workable.
Had a couple scares and annoyances already -- for example, at one point the license seemed to temporarily disappear. There's no tech support of any kind from Waves without buying an update plan, so I'm glad I solved the problems on my own. Luckily that company has nothing else I want.
Anyway, thanks again!.
Gotta admit I caved and just bought the Ren Bass plug. Simple, sounds good, and $64 was workable.
Had a couple scares and annoyances already -- for example, at one point the license seemed to temporarily disappear. There's no tech support of any kind from Waves without buying an update plan, so I'm glad I solved the problems on my own. Luckily that company has nothing else I want.
Anyway, thanks again!.
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Re: Recommend a substitute for waves renaissance bass plug?
Not uncommon at all. I sympathize.percussion boy wrote: I may end up buying Waves products again, but would really rather not. Not comfortable with how they do things.
For the record, there's also something called "The Lowender" that people seem to like: http://www.refusesoftware.com/lowender.html
And dbx still make their hardware units of course.
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Re: Recommend a substitute for waves renaissance bass plug?
Heya Justin!fossiltooth wrote:Not uncommon at all. I sympathize.
For the record, there's also something called "The Lowender" that people seem to like: http://www.refusesoftware.com/lowender.html
And dbx still make their hardware units of course.
The lowender and dbx 120 series are both awesome, but they kind of do the oposite of the ren bass plugin :)
Ren bass adds upper harmonics so you can hear the bass more clearly in smaller speakers. Those two add sub harmonics that are even less likely to be heard in small speakers, but more likely to destroy susceptible buildings when played through the trunk of a ford explorer.
The lowpass->distortion->bandpass setup should do the trick, though I must admit the waves plugin does a pretty good job of it. It's one of the only waves plugins I actually miss. Maybe the only one.
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Re: Recommend a substitute for waves renaissance bass plug?
Yeah, that was why I (reluctantly) caved in and paid them -- that plug is a real simple way to solve a recurring problem.Marc Alan Goodman wrote: It's one of the only waves plugins I actually miss. Maybe the only one.
Thanks again to everyone for their thoughts!
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Re: Recommend a substitute for waves renaissance bass plug?
D'oh! That's right. I totally forgot that's what RBass does, and clearly didn't read this post in its entirety.Marc Alan Goodman wrote:Heya Justin!fossiltooth wrote:Not uncommon at all. I sympathize.
For the record, there's also something called "The Lowender" that people seem to like: http://www.refusesoftware.com/lowender.html
And dbx still make their hardware units of course.
The lowender and dbx 120 series are both awesome, but they kind of do the oposite of the ren bass plugin
Ren bass adds upper harmonics so you can hear the bass more clearly in smaller speakers. Those two add sub harmonics that are even less likely to be heard in small speakers, but more likely to destroy susceptible buildings when played through the trunk of a ford explorer.
The lowpass->distortion->bandpass setup should do the trick, though I must admit the waves plugin does a pretty good job of it. It's one of the only waves plugins I actually miss. Maybe the only one.
FWIW, I used to have RBass as part of the Renn bundle. I definitely used it on a couple of mixes, but often had better luck with parallel lowpass>distortion kind of approach.
To be honest, I kind of wrote Waves off as a company when they recently told me that they wanted $100 to update the $300 worth of software I bought from them. If it was 5%, 10% or even 20%, I would have paid it in a heartbeat. But 33% doesn't seem like a sensible scale to me. Are any other companies charging this high of a percentage for version updates? I may have given them the benefit of the doubt, but they were pretty unresponsive as well.
There are so many other great tools these days, and I kind of look forward to forgetting what all of their other products do as well.
Oh well, if any plugin developers are listening and are thinking about adding something to their product line, apparently there's a decent demand for this kind of thing, and not much supply.
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