Long snake qestion... (the snake, not the question)

[MichaelAlan]

So as I no longer have a room mate, the room next to my control room could be the new "live room" or what have you. The only thing is I'm sure my garage will sound much better. it is unfinished, meaning angled wooden ceiling with exposed trusses, concrete floor and stucco walls with exposed studs. It is also on the complete opposite end of the house. It is also a dirty garage... so either room will have to be treated. My question is, how much will a, lets say, 75 ft long snake degrade the signal quality if I decide to run one all the way out to the garage? Because if sound quality suffers significantly I will just treat the smaller room adjacent to the mix room.

[Nick Sevilla]

So as I no longer have a room mate, the room next to my control room could be the new "live room" or what have you. The only thing is I'm sure my garage will sound much better. it is unfinished, meaning angled wooden ceiling with exposed trusses, concrete floor and stucco walls with exposed studs. It is also on the complete opposite end of the house. It is also a dirty garage... so either room will have to be treated. My question is, how much will a, lets say, 75 ft long snake degrade the signal quality if I decide to run one all the way out to the garage? Because if sound quality suffers significantly I will just treat the smaller room adjacent to the mix room.

Hi,
Let's get this one by parts, shall we?

1.- "So as I no longer have a room mate" - Sing Freedom song.

2.- "the room next to my control room could be the new "live room" or what have you" - Yes.

3.- "The only thing is I'm sure my garage will sound much better" - Hard evidence please. I say no.

4.- "it is unfinished, meaning angled wooden ceiling with exposed trusses, concrete floor and stucco walls with exposed studs" - Which means a lot of money to get it to acceptable acoustic levels for a microphone. $$$.

5.- "It is also on the complete opposite end of the house" - Can you say "Closed Video camera system"? Say it five times fast.

6.- "It is also a dirty garage" - Clean up on aisle 5...

7.- "so either room will have to be treated" - No mention of first room to compare what will need to be done to it, as compared to the known room, the garage.

8.- "My question is, how much will a, lets say, 75 ft long snake degrade the signal quality" - It will degrade the sound quality exactly 0%. Unless And Until you pour beer all over the connectors, and have rats chew on the cable until it's exposed. Then it will somewhat degrade the audio quality.

9.- "Because if sound quality suffers significantly" - This my friend is a total fallacy. please delete from your brain cells immediately.

10.- "I will just treat the smaller room adjacent to the mix room." - Yes. I say do this. You can communicate with the Genius / Musicians more immediately, and also it will cost less to treat this room than the garage. And you will not need that closed video camera system anymore to communicate with the subjects of your sound experiments.

Cheers

[vvv]

Does the change in room mate status have any relationship to the length of the snake?


That is the "qestion"!





Onna serious note, if the garage is "unfinished" - and I know not your location - but will it require insulation and HVAC?

[MichaelAlan]

Does the change in room mate status have any relationship to the length of the snake?


That is the "qestion"!





Onna serious note, if the garage is "unfinished" - and I know not your location - but will it require insulation and HVAC?

Not mine...

Nick i hear ya... the smaller room is small... like 12X12... and square, with an 8ft ceiling. I guess i just assumed the garage would sound better cause it's bigger... and well... made a' wood... I have understood from other sources that long cables can degrade your signal, but apparently i was mistaken, so thanks for clearing that up! Oh also, VVV, ya it's completely unfinished... I'm getting an insulated garage door put in next week (the OLD one broke) but it would definetely get cold/hot as satans choad in there... totally starting to scrap that idea and just stay in the house. (my location is southern california, in the desert. WARM!

[Nick Sevilla]

(my location is southern california, in the desert. WARM!

Where U at?

I'm in Northridge, West of the famous 4-or-5 freeway.

[Snarl 12/8]

Just FYI, long cable runs can degrade your signals. It's just that 75' isn't considered very long for XLR/balanced lines. In my opinion, it's getting up there, but not quite there. For a guitar cable, or speaker cable that'd be super long.

[cgarges]

It's definitely more than 75' from the back of Studio 2 at Abbey Road up to the VR in the control room.

Chris Garges
Charlotte, NC

[Nick Sevilla]

Just FYI, long cable runs can degrade your signals. It's just that 75' isn't considered very long for XLR/balanced lines. In my opinion, it's getting up there, but not quite there. For a guitar cable, or speaker cable that'd be super long.

For a balanced audio cable, which most snakes are, start at over 1000' (feet) and then you can talk about signal degradation. It is the capacitance which gets high enough to filter out top end.

As to unbalanced runs, a lot shorter. Around 15 feet and longer it starts to do the same, plus adding any RF noise that may be present.

Cheers

[MichaelAlan]

It's definitely more than 75' from the back of Studio 2 at Abbey Road up to the VR in the control room.

Chris Garges
Charlotte, NC

So that's cleared up then....

[dfuruta]

Like Nick Sevilla said, it matters a lot more with unbalanced lines, since a longer cable will pick up more noise. It's also a good idea to keep things like guitar cables short, since the output impedance of a (passive) guitar is a lot higher than that of a microphone. Generally, higher impedance sources will suffer more with longer cables.

[MichaelAlan]

Like Nick Sevilla said, it matters a lot more with unbalanced lines, since a longer cable will pick up more noise. It's also a good idea to keep things like guitar cables short, since the output impedance of a (passive) guitar is a lot higher than that of a microphone. Generally, higher impedance sources will suffer more with longer cables.

This makes total sense. Right on.



mike