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Tips for hearing the sonic details...

Post by SafeandSoundMastering » Wed Dec 12, 2012 8:17 am

Does what it says on the tin really:

Tips for hearing the sonic details of a mix

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Post by MoreSpaceEcho » Wed Dec 12, 2012 10:17 am

good read, i agree with all of it.

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Post by Nick Sevilla » Wed Dec 12, 2012 12:31 pm

Nice.

I usually have to do AT LEAST 50% or more of this "detail" work on music that I did not record myself, and am only mixing.

I'll share this with friends...
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Post by ChrisNW » Wed Dec 12, 2012 2:28 pm

Very nice! The pops from broken or missing crossfades especially.
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Post by MoreSpaceEcho » Wed Dec 12, 2012 4:07 pm

yeah i hear those all the time...

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Post by Mane1234 » Thu Dec 13, 2012 4:29 am

Good info....This stuff was drilled into me by the guy who schooled me about Pro Tools. Anyone else use those headphones on the webpage? I've used them for about ten years now and still love tracking with them. Just bought a new pair the other day.
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Post by GooberNumber9 » Thu Dec 13, 2012 11:17 am

Good stuff, bad title, IMHO. I was expecting things like "hit the 'mono' button to check levels and L/R phase; turn the volume down gradually until items become inaudible - last track standing is the loudest part of the mix", etc. To me, those are the "details". This article seems to be about the mistakes and noises.

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Post by Nick Sevilla » Thu Dec 13, 2012 11:57 am

GooberNumber9 wrote:Good stuff, bad title, IMHO. I was expecting things like "hit the 'mono' button to check levels and L/R phase; turn the volume down gradually until items become inaudible - last track standing is the loudest part of the mix", etc. To me, those are the "details". This article seems to be about the mistakes and noises.
I agree, however you should see the sheer AMOUNT of the "details" from this article that are present in every single recording session.

The last five albums I mixed only (no recording from me...), which I was told were "mix ready", were far from it. I was hearing all sorts of crap such as the bad edits, pops and clicks, and yes, even a broken mic being used (not on purpose).

There were even MISSING LEAD VOCALS in some sessions. WTF???

It is like some recording "engineers" just turn off their ears and critical listening skills, or maybe don't even have ears nor critical listening skills.

Atrocious.

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Post by GooberNumber9 » Fri Dec 14, 2012 4:33 pm

Nick Sevilla wrote:There were even MISSING LEAD VOCALS in some sessions. WTF???

It is like some recording "engineers" just turn off their ears and critical listening skills, or maybe don't even have ears nor critical listening skills.
I could see someone confronted about missing lead vocals (!!!) saying: "It looked like the lead vocals were there. I always color lead vocals pink and there's a pink waveform in the session, can you double check that you don't hear them?"

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Post by Nick Sevilla » Fri Dec 14, 2012 8:28 pm

GooberNumber9 wrote:
Nick Sevilla wrote:There were even MISSING LEAD VOCALS in some sessions. WTF???

It is like some recording "engineers" just turn off their ears and critical listening skills, or maybe don't even have ears nor critical listening skills.
I could see someone confronted about missing lead vocals (!!!) saying: "It looked like the lead vocals were there. I always color lead vocals pink and there's a pink waveform in the session, can you double check that you don't hear them?"
Believe it or not, once, I had a small budget movie mix, in which there was missing dialogue. lots of dialogue. About 1 minute in a 15 minute short film.

I was told by the producers to "Just deal with it, fix it"... after which I was told in no uncertain terms that overdubs were not allowed, nor them doing anything to lok for the missing parts.

I did deal with it. Gave them back their material, and sent them on their merry way.

It's all in the details....
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Post by vvv » Sat Dec 15, 2012 8:00 am

Hmm, seems yer other option mighta been a silent film ... :twisted:
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Post by chris harris » Sat Dec 15, 2012 9:44 am

In an era where printing a mix has become File -> Export, lots of mixes don't even get a really critical final listen. It's amazing how much faith people put in algorithms.

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Post by MoreSpaceEcho » Sat Dec 15, 2012 7:09 pm

the algorithms are fine, people just need to fix their edits.

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